Of the following films, which are eligible:
Toni Erdmann, Certain Women, Personal shopper, elle, the handmaiden,the love witch, hell or high water
― i know kore-eda (or something), Sunday, 4 February 2018 19:10 (six years ago) link
I think you'll find that at least three of those 'placed' last year, but hey everything's eligible
so i encourage votes for any and all Welles films
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 4 February 2018 19:20 (six years ago) link
Last year's results, fwiw ...
Toni Erdmann 475 18Manchester By The Sea 379 15American Honey 300 10Moonlight 297 11Things to Come 271 10Paterson 247 11Cameraperson 244 9Embrace of the Serpent 239 10Certain Women 223 8Elle 216 9O.J.: Made in America 209 6Silence 206 9Love & Friendship 186 9The Handmaiden 185 8Cemetery of Splendour 178 5The Witch 168 8Arabian Nights 165 5I Am Not Your Negro 163 7Green Room 160 8Hell or High Water 143 8The Assassin 143 5The Neon Demon 141 7I, Daniel Blake 137 6Son of Saul 129 5Hail, Casear! 118 5Victoria 115 6A Bigger Splash 114 4Mountains May Depart 112 4The Other Side 111 4The Measure of a Man 108 4Hunt for the Wilderpeople 92 6Weiner Dog 91 4Everybody Wants Some!! 85 5Little Men 85 5Childhood of a Leader 83 3Knight of Cups 83 4Fire At Sea 82 4No Home Movie 82 4Sunset Song 82 3The Death of Louis XIV 81 3Loving 77 420th Century Women 76 5Arrival 73 5Sieranevada 72 2The Fits 71 4Jackie 70 4High Rise 69 3The Lobster 68 4Sing Street 66 3Anomalisa 65 3Maggie's Plan 65 3Indignation 63 3Tower 63 3Pearl Button 62 2Rams 57 4De Palma 56 2The Love Witch 56 2Zootopia 56 3Our Little Sister 50 3The Club 47 3Eisenstein in Guanajuato 46 2Aferim 45 2La La Land 42 2Train to Busan 41 2A Quiet Passion 40 1Being 17 40 1Visit or Memories and Confessions 40 1Weiner 39 2Chevalier 38 2The Woman Who Left 38 2Deapool 37 2Under the Shadow 37 2When Marnie Was There 37 2White Girl 36 1Tale of Tales 35 3Dirty Grandpa 33 1Julieta 33 2Mustang 33 2The Nice Guys 33 1The Red Turtle 33 2Remainder 32 2My Golden Days 31 3Happy Hour 30 1Kubo and the Two Strings 30 1Nocturnal Animals 30 2Standing Tall 30 1Hypernormalisation 29 2Right Now, Wrong THen 29 2The Illinois Parables 29 2Captain America: Civil War 28 1Cosmos 28 1Scarred Hearts 28 1Keanu 26 2Nothing Left Unsaid 26 1The Greasy Strangler 26 1The Wialing 26 1Evolution 25 2Ixcanul 25 1Kate Plays Christine 25 2Men and Chicken 25 2Popstar: Never Stop Never Stopping 25 2Supersonic 25 1Swiss Army Man 25 1Couple in a Hole 24 2In the Last Days of the city 24 1Lemonade 24 1Mapplethorpe: Look at Pictures 24 1Queen of Katwe 24 2Triple 9 24 1Into the Inferno 23 1Mimosas 23 1The Edge of Seventeen 23 1The Invitation 23 1A Lullaby to the Sorrowful Mystery 22 1Aaaaaaah! 22 1Author: THe JT LeRoy Story 22 1Christine 22 1Florence Foster Jenkins 22 1Passengers 22 1The Treasure 22 1Dog Eat Dog 21 1Kaili Blues 21 1The Son of Joseph 21 1Tickled 21 1Your Name 21 4Histoire(s) Du cinema 20 1The Ornithologist 20 1Girls Lost 19 1The Hateful Eight 19 1Don't Think Twice 18 1Neruda 18 1Not Film 18 110 Cloverfield Lane 17 2Aquarius 17 1Creepy 17 1Eat That Question: Frank Zappa... 17 1King Jack 17 1Nocturama 17 1Serena 17 1A Town Called Panic: Back in School 16 1El Sur 16 1I Am Not A Serial Killer 16 1Louder than Bombs 16 1The Jungle Book 16 1Doctor Strange 15 1Don't Blink 15 1In the Shadow of Women 15 1Captain Fantastic 14 1Harmonium 14 1Le Fils de Joseph 14 1My Friend from the Park 14 1Neon Bull 14 2Other People 14 1February 13 1Star Trek Beyond 13 1Sully 13 1Janis: Little Girl Blue 12 1Sweet Bean 12 1Hacksaw Ridge 11 1Halfway 11 1Microbe and Gasoline 11 1The Happiest Day in the Life of Olli Maki 11 1The Sundial Carved with a Thousand... 11 1Uncle Kent 2 11 1American Pastoral 10 1JLG/JLG 10 1The United States of Love 10 1Godless 9 1King Lear 9 1Sweaty Betty 9 1Cafe Society 8 1One Sings, the Other Doesn't 8 1The Untamed 8 1In the Realm of the Sense 7 1Papusza 7 1The Last Family 7 1
― Tarr Yang Preminger Argento Carpenter (Eric H.), Sunday, 4 February 2018 19:37 (six years ago) link
I see The Death of Louis XIV got some votes last year.
This year too
― scrüt (wins), Sunday, 4 February 2018 19:42 (six years ago) link
Yeah thanks I knew I'd voted for some of those last year but they definitely didn't get a British release til this year
― i know kore-eda (or something), Sunday, 4 February 2018 20:01 (six years ago) link
Perhaps we should make something that placed in the previous year ineligible for the following. I dunno seems unfair on some but I don't wanna vote toni erdmann film of the year 2 years running eg (tbh I might have it at 2 or 3 this time around but still)
― i know kore-eda (or something), Sunday, 4 February 2018 20:04 (six years ago) link
Has anything got votes 3 years running yet?
― scrüt (wins), Sunday, 4 February 2018 20:08 (six years ago) link
Perhaps we should make something that placed in the previous year ineligible for the following.
I strongly disagree w/ this. I purposely didn't vote for Toni Erdmann last year because I knew I would want to to vote for it in this year's poll, 2017 being the year it got a cinema release in Britain and the year that I first saw it.
― Agharta Christie (Ward Fowler), Sunday, 4 February 2018 20:46 (six years ago) link
I also didn't get to see Scorsese's Silence until the very beginning of 2017, but I didn't include any of the staggered release movies that I also loved in early 2017 (Julieta, Toni Erdmann, Elle). I guess I go by Oscar qualifications, cf. Personal Shopper, which came out in the USA in March 2017 and didn't qualify for the Oscars despite opening in many other countries in 2016. And yeah honestly I feel like putting Twin Peaks in is fishy, as much as Lynch says it's one long movie it's not, it wasn't made for the cinema, it was made for television. I still put it on my ballot because this is a message board poll and I loved Twin Peaks and ultimately idgaf but it's definitely not the same as Fanny and Alexander, which had a 3 hour theatrical cut released to theaters in America before anyone had access to the TV version. anyway
― flappy bird, Sunday, 4 February 2018 21:43 (six years ago) link
― Agharta Christie (Ward Fowler), Sunday, 4 February 2018 20:46 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag
I'm cool with that but it means I'm going to vote for a few films I voted for last year
― i know kore-eda (or something), Sunday, 4 February 2018 21:59 (six years ago) link
Toni Erdmann WON last year? i am getting better at forgetting the results of these polls almost instantly.
these slo-mo releases are a good argument for delaying such decisions til July.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 February 2018 01:33 (six years ago) link
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― Alba, Monday, 5 February 2018 07:36 (six years ago) link
Poll sent!
― Agharta Christie (Ward Fowler), Monday, 5 February 2018 12:27 (six years ago) link
Ballot sent!
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 5 February 2018 21:09 (six years ago) link
You guys are voting so early! Have you seen everything? There’s still time to watch some good stuff by female directors:
My Happy FamilyOn Body and SoulBy the Time It Gets DarkBerlin Syndrome
― Cherish, Friday, 9 February 2018 00:43 (six years ago) link
I have a ballot ready to go, but I'm holding off sending it until March 1st or so.
― WilliamC, Friday, 9 February 2018 03:14 (six years ago) link
I can't see The Florida Project until February 20, so I have to wait until then at least.
But, seriously, those four I listed are very good. I don't want to be the only one who votes for them!
― Cherish, Sunday, 11 February 2018 19:59 (six years ago) link
I def wanted to see On Body and Soul when MUBI was showing it but I didn't get round to it. Missed By the Time It Gets Dark in its one week run. Sadly there is only so much time.
I put The Nothing Factory in my ballot.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jan/28/the-nothing-factory-review-unconventional-workplace-drama
This was like a summation of a lots and lots of political cinema of many colours, and its very knowing on how boring as well as exciting a lot of it was.
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 11 February 2018 20:14 (six years ago) link
You guys are voting so early!
I always think of this as a poll of the films I saw in 2017, so in theory could have submitted my vote on Jan 1st. There's always next year's poll!
I avoided this because the Glasgow Film Theatre booklet compared it to Gomes' The Arabian Nights, which I largely disliked, but based on your description I regret that now.
― Agharta Christie (Ward Fowler), Sunday, 11 February 2018 20:25 (six years ago) link
Its miles better than The Arabian Nights, whose 1st part I caught and also despised (oh they are both Portuguese and left-wing! So bloody lazy).
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 11 February 2018 20:34 (six years ago) link
It's very much in the same tradition as Arabian Nights, a tradition that goes from Antonio Reis and gives so many Portuguese films such an ethnographic dimension. There's a bunch of Portuguese documentaries a lot like it, and you see aspects of it in Pedro Costa and Joao Pedro Rodrigues as well, just to name two other major Portuguese filmmakers.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 11 February 2018 21:04 (six years ago) link
Pedro Costa has a completely different rhtyhm and his films are the result of a specific project and even a politics (there is much empathy for the poor and it delves into Portuguese history and colonial history but its also very resigned about it all as well).
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 11 February 2018 21:09 (six years ago) link
no Ward, no. eg, Phantom Thread is not a 2018 film, not no way, not nohow.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 February 2018 21:12 (six years ago) link
UK Release Date: Friday 2 February 2018
― Agharta Christie (Ward Fowler), Sunday, 11 February 2018 21:37 (six years ago) link
pish tosh
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 February 2018 21:52 (six years ago) link
Just looked through the list from last year. I'm voting for at least four that got votes last year.
Also noticed that one of them, Eugene Green's The Son of Joseph, got one vote in English and one in French! Let's consolidate our votes this year, Green fans. Pick a language!
― Cherish, Sunday, 11 February 2018 22:41 (six years ago) link
Tomorrow is the two-year anniversary of the premiere of The Son of Joseph. Great film.
― Frederik B, Sunday, 11 February 2018 22:55 (six years ago) link
It is great, and the most openly comic film of his I've seen. Of course there's comedy in all his films, and obviously Le monde vivant was pretty silly, but this one is classic farce.
"How do you feel about hipsters?"
"I hate them."
"Me, too!"
― Cherish, Monday, 12 February 2018 00:20 (six years ago) link
The Nothing Factory was some hot, flaming bullshit, and this is from someone who thinks Arabian Nights is one of the best films ever. To compare them is criminal. If you want to watch a film that will clumsily attack you for daring to watch it, for three fucking hours, be my guest. Dismal
― imago, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 22:01 (six years ago) link
And yeah, of course I'm aware the effect was intentional. That doesn't mean that the execution was good or that I'm happy to have been subjected to it
If you compiled all the scenes that took place outdoors then you'd have a decent ambient short tbf
― imago, Tuesday, 13 February 2018 22:19 (six years ago) link
Glad I'm holding my ballot. I've seen Good Time and Nocturama so far this week.
― WilliamC, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 04:09 (six years ago) link
Really, really happy you hated The Nothing Factory, Louie. Tell me you didn't walk out? That's even better.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 07:58 (six years ago) link
Or if you did please tell me it was around the 20+ min scene of the Capital I-intellectuals talking around the dinner table. I knew one or two ppl would walk at that and right enough.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 08:04 (six years ago) link
Oh I stayed till the end, buddy
― imago, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 08:21 (six years ago) link
I'm aware the Intellectuals bit was meant to be satirical, but the point was so heavy-handed. 'film attacks its own bourgie audience' has been done, oh, very slightly better ;)
― imago, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 08:23 (six years ago) link
Some people did indeed leave during that bit btw
― imago, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 08:24 (six years ago) link
It wasn't satire. Its partly a play on some of the 60s/70s political films. Mainly and basically though talking about what is going on should be fine for the audience -- who are mostly educated (in the sense they come in with some familiarity with Marxist texts and current affairs) -- they ought to be staying with it. Especially given what happened later.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 08:48 (six years ago) link
Every one of its intellectual flourishes was subsequently deflated - seemingly on purpose - but not in good ways. We are shown how the main guy is a horrible prick to his wife, the musical bit is a daft contrivance, the workers' discussions go in futile circles. Some of the actual theory was sound but nothing new - the rest felt like antagonism. For a film about the Struggle it really didn't seem to have many answers
― imago, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 08:54 (six years ago) link
It doesn't pretend to have any answers and you should not start looking for it ina film (you basically look for edgy stuff - hence the ambient comment - anyway). The worker discussion is documentary and it's exactly the kind of thing you should be listening to. They seized the means of production. Musical functioned as a break and it often has a part in certain political films.
Guy being a horrible prick to his wife is your male feminist logging on.
God knows how Fred is gonna sort this out.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 09:12 (six years ago) link
Why would I sort it out? I saw it in a competition of debut films, I thought it was a promising but flawed film that seemed fairly typical of Portuguese cinema.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:43 (six years ago) link
Just thought you had all the answers, that's all.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:53 (six years ago) link
Weekend Bump
― Gukbe, Saturday, 17 February 2018 23:51 (six years ago) link
Saw and was inspired by too few new films to vote, though they didn't include Get Out or The Work or The B-Side or, I expect of greater relative interest to me, Mudbound or BPM or Ex Libris or The Four Sisters. I typically enjoyed the half-Varda and to a lesser degree Soderbergh and Winterbottom, but found them less interesting slight returns to somewhat familiar territory (same for the 2016 Assayas, which I saw that year too, though it might be worth a second look), and the Grateful Dead movie I more than willingly sat through four hours of was as advertised both long and a little strange but not quite a trip. Lady Bird was not without its minor charms, but I suspect I would have enjoyed a lot more with Gerwig rather than Ronan in front of the camera, and ultimately I was tempted to deem it the vaguely-indie coming-of-age-comedy cognate of the comic-book/sci-fi films whose artistic merit appears to have been inflated by whatever cultural importance there may be in their being helmed by and/or starring women and/or African-Americans, less interesting or substantive than, say, the more adult Columbus. Same goes for The Florida Project, which I found too aggressively awful in content, milieu, and lack of any particular point I cared to discern to be attentive to the extent to which it may have been well made by anyone other than the adult leads. While I'd felt similarly about previous McDonagh work, the somewhat-accidentally-seen Three Billboards felt sufficiently meatier in its storytelling and mild convention-subversion to overlook the complications and light weight; I suspect Wind River probably was too. The Hong movie seemed a bit more interesting than those I'd seen previously, but not enough to bother me that I was dragged out of it early on content grounds. My favorite 2017 film (excluding 2016s not seen in that year like Cameraperson or especially Robinson Devor's fairly compelling Pow Wow) was probably The Other Side of Hope, which felt most of and responsive to the moment.
― Moo Vaughn, Monday, 19 February 2018 01:47 (six years ago) link
Same goes for The Florida Project, which I found too aggressively awful in content, milieu, and lack of any particular point I cared to discern to be attentive to the extent to which it may have been well made by anyone other than the adult leads.
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― flappy bird, Monday, 19 February 2018 05:22 (six years ago) link
not entirely wrong
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 February 2018 11:21 (six years ago) link
Lady Bird was not without its minor charms, but I suspect I would have enjoyed a lot more with Gerwig rather than Ronan in front of the camera, and ultimately I was tempted to deem it the vaguely-indie coming-of-age-comedy cognate of the comic-book/sci-fi films whose artistic merit appears to have been inflated by whatever cultural importance there may be in their being helmed by and/or starring women and/or African-Americans
entirely wrong
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 February 2018 11:25 (six years ago) link
Saw Good Time last night! Lovely nerve-shredder. I cried at the end
― imago, Monday, 19 February 2018 12:21 (six years ago) link
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, February 19, 2018 11:25 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It may be that I'm just insufficiently suburban in origin, female in gendering, millennial in generation, or Catholic in upbringing to have more than modest feeling for a film that competed with food and drink, etc. for my attention as many increasingly do, but even putting aside the fact that for all her very good work Ronan never entirely registered as Sacramentian, the whole thing just felt less real than even the comic-book take of Ghost World, for which I had less feeling even before a recent screening highlighted its fairly reactionary/not a little creepy script. Part of that may also have to do with the slightly peculiar lightness with which Gerwig's (or, I suppose more appropriately, her teenaged/post-collegiate characters') happy-go-lucky vision/persona treats life's difficulties, but again I find that treatment more convincing when she embodies it herself.
― Moo Vaughn, Monday, 19 February 2018 14:17 (six years ago) link
The slightly peculiar lightness is a sensibility I've encountered more than a few times in adulthood, and only rarely have I seen it incarnated onscreen as fully as Gerwig does. Couple this sensibility with the editing and Ronan's acting chops and the result was a small miracle.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 February 2018 14:20 (six years ago) link
yeah June, fionnland has a good point about it breaking up the glut of lists/polls this time of year. and those movies that don't make it out of new york or la by march 2019 might be someone's favorite, it's happened to me. but oddly this is the first year ever where I've seen everything of note (except Cold War). somehow everything made it here by the end of the year. but this is the first time this has happened to me 15+ years after leaving new york.
― flappy bird, Monday, 31 December 2018 23:18 (five years ago) link
February is perfect for me, personally. It gives me time to go to Gothenburg and catch up in January, and it means I get the list-making over with as the new festival year begins in Berlin. But ok, if the rest of you want to wait until June, I guess that's what we'll do.
― Frederik B, Monday, 31 December 2018 23:30 (five years ago) link
ftr
Really, the solution is to always do the poll in late July so nearly everything that opens on one continent the previous year will have had 7 months to spread, like a social disease.― Dr Morbius
― Dr Morbius
Actually rather agree with the late July idea― imago
― imago
Yeah I was gonna say we should do this in the middle of the year every year to avoid these double placements. I live in a mid-sized city in the USA and often get less than half of the prestige/quality art house films until early the next year, often going all the way into March.[...]Certain Women came out in Europe in March 2017, and was released on home video in June. this could've been avoided & could be in the future by delaying the poll til mid-summer― flappy bird
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Certain Women came out in Europe in March 2017, and was released on home video in June. this could've been avoided & could be in the future by delaying the poll til mid-summer
― flappy bird
Agreed that we should put off voting until at least July for the previous year.― WilliamC
― WilliamC
counterpoint:
thought about watching Coco before voting; too busy watching Twin Peaks― Dr Morbius, July 2017
― Dr Morbius, July 2017
Morbs hasn't finished watching Twin Peaks yet, so if we hurry we can counteract any objections bcz he's obv still too busy to have watched any 2018 releases
― sans lep (sic), Monday, 31 December 2018 23:31 (five years ago) link
I'm making a vaguely concerted effort to catch up w/ some now-on-streamings at the moment (Madeline² last night), and Shoplifters is coming to a tiny indie in late January, so I'm expecting to be happy both to vote and to run the poll in February (cutting off votes before the Oscars, rolling out a week or so after). But nobody in the delayed results thread this year argued against the expanded catch-up time!
― sans lep (sic), Monday, 31 December 2018 23:40 (five years ago) link
April maybe?
― flappy bird, Monday, 31 December 2018 23:51 (five years ago) link
as a compromise
Feb please. June was a one-off.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 18:43 (five years ago) link
et tu Whiney
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 21:16 (five years ago) link
There was a thread recently where there was some debate over when the year-end film poll should be. I thought it would have been here, but I guess not.
Anyway, I wanted to run a political-film poll this summer. Is is possible for the year-end to be over and done with before then?
ayo clemenza
maybe not over and done before the summer, given the fairly whelming opinion to wait ages, but before July?
clicks "submit post," leaves flat to go and see a movie postulating that evil monsters could take over American politics and society by infiltrating the media
― steven, soda jerk (sic), Thursday, 14 March 2019 03:04 (five years ago) link
I think we should start April 1
― flappy bird, Thursday, 14 March 2019 03:17 (five years ago) link
That'd be fine, thanks. I'll be retired by then anyway, so really, it doesn't matter.
― clemenza, Thursday, 14 March 2019 03:41 (five years ago) link