Elitism in Pop Music

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s/"it"/"hip-hop" and "country" respectively

algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 18:14 (six years ago) link

putting the most critically acclaimed person in country music, Chris Stapleton, on an album where, previously, your albums did not have Chris Stapleton (emphasis on "albums," I know he cut tracks/live performances) constitutes a shift to country

What kind of shift did Tim McGraw putting Nelly on his album constitute? What kind of shift did Brad Paisley putting LL Cool J on his album constitute?

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 18:15 (six years ago) link

I agree there was an overlay of country but the premise everyone is mad at is the idea that he shifted away from r&b. It’s a damn r&b album. Aren’t most of the Songs are written by James Fauntleroy? Cmon. It was a premise that reflected a broad twitter consensus. I’ve liked other things that writer has done and don’t think I’m above having bought into some bs consensus at one time or another but the article was a good example of what happens when we let the script in our heads write our pieces for us

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 18:17 (six years ago) link

tim mcgraw wanted to be an honorary st. lunatic

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 18:19 (six years ago) link

A) A shift from reality into fantasy, because Tim McGraw never put that single on his albums
B) A shift into the following: genre crossover appeal of the sort he did a lot during that album cycle; accidental racism

algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 18:21 (six years ago) link

Putting a cowboy hat on is not the discursive equivalent of Miley Cyrus shitting on rap music in the press after exploiting it for an album cycle. The piece’s thesis was frustrating for drawing that comparison. Justin Timberlake has made r&b for two decades and one album cycle ago he was cast among hip hop royalty, performing songs about wearing suits and ties with jay z. The comparison was silly and lightweight even if the writer is not

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 18:49 (six years ago) link

the cowboy hat was a reference to Lady Gaga, whose album cycle included more than cowboy hats

algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 18:51 (six years ago) link

I didn’t follow that at all but replace it with stood next to a tree or whatever superficial marketing led everyone to believe justin was abandoning the genre that made him

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:05 (six years ago) link

If the album is mediocre it’s mediocre we don’t need to invent objective reasons it was mediocre... I do not think this is he main reason politics has come back to the forefront (generally speaking I think it was overdue, fwiw) but I do get that feeling that some of the leaning on politics is that it creates a more objective lens through which to view an artist’s success or failure, a sense of certitude in a world slowly recognizing the subjective nature of its interactions

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 19:08 (six years ago) link

I guess (to me) Gaga -- though she def had elements of modern r&b and hip hop -- felt pretty apart from that? (much moreso than JT or Miley), like she's so jazz hands drama kid at heart, she always had a sort of old school showbiz thing to me

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 20:23 (six years ago) link

(so i guess her playing with whatever dressup she's doing on a particular album always feels subservient to her Lady Gaga pop, kind of like Madonna could embrace house music or w/e but it's still Madonna music)

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 20:24 (six years ago) link

yeah Gaga was more disowning dance-pop than disowning R&B; "Rainbow" is Kesha doing the same thing (her case is a lot more complicated for the obvious reasons, one of which being she genuinely did hate some of the music she was making). It's the same sort of authenticity move, however -- and to the people they're aiming that authenticity at, dance-pop and hip-hop might as well be interchangeable shitty music, etc.

algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Tuesday, 6 February 2018 20:28 (six years ago) link


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