I Really Dislike Frank Sinatra: How alone am I?

Hum their big hit

My wife is into the TCSs, they're good!

Btw the largest outdoor malls in L.A. play Frank Sinatra all the time. I mean I think it's literally all the time.

this thread is like if someone started a beach boys thread and just complained about how much they hated "kokomo" and how sick they were of all those stupid guys w/ their dumb surfboards trying to be cool. it's music for ppl who don't really like music, man!

nah man, beach boys is music for people who think they like music but don't

but re: sinatra being played non-stop in certain public places, are there any other artists that get this treatment? I've been in many public places where they seem to play Sinatra exclusively at all times. I think this is where the "music for people who don't really like music" thing comes from--there are a shocking number of people out there for whom music literally begins and ends with sinatra; they don't listen to anything else, at all. only thing I can think of that comes close is a dude I knew who had the complete discographies of leonard cohen and billy joel on his ipod and nothing else.

like maybe Jimmy Buffett in the florida keys?

i mainly hear sinatra in, like, those pizza places that have black and white photos of new york on the wall

oh shit, i just remembered what probably was subliminally the entire reason I posted in this thread in the firs place! I was recently dragged to a lower-middle-brow cathedral: the dale chihuly museum at the foot of the space needle, and it was all-sinatra up in there. it was very fitting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuIcRiHlHoY

I have def been in a supermarket in the last year (in Brooklyn) where the PA was tuned to the Sirius Sinatra station.

if u dont fuck with this song i dont wanna know u on a deep personal level
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG9YAHYe80I

the fuck is wrong w you people

September of my Years is a great album, maybe my second-fave overall

I fuck with "water to drink"

xps all time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5F6PXAZIRg

"if u dont fuck with this song i dont wanna know u on a deep personal level"

"the fuck is wrong w you people"

couldn't help but hear both of these in sinatra's speaking voice

well I mean I am frank sinatra so that makes sense

I hate Frank Sinatra because he’s a talentless mafia greaseball. I take severe offence at people referring to him as a “jazz” singer. I’m a jazz pianist and I’ve worked with a lot of talented jazz singers. Fundamentally, TO BE A JAZZ SINGER YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SCAT and Frank Sinatra never did. He just sings songs like any shmuck can. He can’t improvise, so he’s not a Jazz singer. My Dad liked Frank Sinatra and I asked him why. My Dad then said “he had perfect pitch”. Who the fuck cares, millions of singers have perfect pitch. It’s very common. Frank Sinatra’s voice had a very boring and common timbre and anyone who defends his accolades obviously knows little about music or was completely brainwashed by the mob-pushed hype he was given by the music industry. To me, he is a pale copy of several African American TRUE artists that, due to the despicable racism of America, were forced to live in the shadow of his limelight as he completely ripped off their styling, phrasing, etc and lacked the skill of the most important component: soloing. I forgive my father for being a musical moron but, after all, he was a flagrant racist so what else should I expect. I blame J Edgar Hoover for turning a blind eye to the Sicilian mob and allowing this second rate lounge singer to attain such undeserved eclat.

I recently saw a rerun of Who’s the Boss Sinatra appeared on, and I remarked that he already looked and acted like a corpse, at which point my husband pointed out that this would have been around the time that Ronan Farrow was spawned.

You lost me a bit at the “true artiest” part because who’s to say, right, but I am right there with you up to that point. Great post

he sings like someone who has never experienced love in his entire life

having heard sings for only the lonely i feel like that is not true

sorry i'm obviously not posting in the spirit of the thread

You really don't understand about a life like Frank's. I mean, when you've loved and lost the way Frank has, then you know what life's about.

re the thread title, How Alone Am I? would make a great Frank Sinatra album. Arranged by Gordon Jenkins.

fuck frank sinatra

this thread is surreal

Frank rules. Insane thread and revive

I think you're getting him confused with Pink Floyd

i mean, ppl can like whatever they want to like, but i seriously have to wonder how many of the "sinatra sucks, he's not even a REAL musician" folks have actually sat down and listened one of his classic 50s albums, as opposed to just hearing his most famous songs now and then in a restaurant or being annoyed by the "rat pack" image or whatever

His craft isn't in dispute imo, I just hate listening to him. He sings like an asshole.

S/D?

the place i get my hair cut at plays him constantly but it's definitely for a gimmick and i'm pretty certain it's from a greatest hits comp because i can vaguely remember some of the numbers from my childhood.

I means it’s more like “yes I can, as long as Frank says so”

i mean, ppl can like whatever they want to like, but i seriously have to wonder how many of the "sinatra sucks, he's not even a REAL musician" folks have actually sat down and listened one of his classic 50s albums, as opposed to just hearing his most famous songs now and then in a restaurant or being annoyed by the "rat pack" image or whatever

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, December 20, 2019 6:39 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

i rarely listen to frank but i was listening to "in the wee small hours" over the weekend. such a gossamer thin, delicate, barely there sound, like ambient music

I can only real deal with the ballad albums as I feel the endlessly self-pitying sadsack of those records is closer to the real Francis Albert Sinatra, and much more relatable than the mob-fellating macho wise-guy persona which I can't tolerate. I loathe Come Fly With Me and all that smug posturing shit.

Only The Lonely is the one though, those Riddle arrangements lift it to another level. The kind of record i've tried to avoid over-listening to in case the effect of it wears off.

Also what's this proscriptive nonsense that you can't be a "proper" jazz singer if you don't scat? There are numerous notable performers throughout the history of the genre who never employed scatting, we're talking about one specific vocal technique amid a whole vast range of different styles. Sure, being able to improvise is a huge part of jazz, but it's not the entire idiom.

I mean tbh I don't think Sinatra had an ounce of jazz in him but I felt that claim was so silly and reductive it needed to be addressed.

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donrosebud making a last-ditch entry for 'most valuable new posters of 2019'

lol, exactly

donrosebud reminds me of Pete Buttigieg's debate performances.

some excellent barely-concealed bigotry itt, well done

Also what's this proscriptive nonsense that you can't be a "proper" jazz singer if you don't scat?

ahem...prescriptive nonsense

Did you get to the part yet where Sammy is coming out of the Copa, it’s about 3 in the morning and he sees Frank. Frank’s walking down Broadway by himself

As far as I'm concerned, crooners are one of the least intelligible aspects of American popular culture.

Someone gifted me OG copies of just about every classic Sinatra Capitol album (and even some not so Classic ones). The Lonesome Road is such a great song.

A jazz singer that can’t scat is like a basketball player that can’t dribble.

I don’t know who this Pete Buttigieg guy is but I like him already.

Pete "Bebop" Buttigieg

I don't know anyone credible who considers Sinatra a jazz singer. He was a pop singer, and a great one at that. But jazz musicians revered him for his musicianship. "If I could put together exactly the kind of band I wanted, Frank Sinatra would be the singer," Lester Young once said.

And sorry, but scat singing is not a prerequisite to singing jazz, any more than vocalese is. I guess Billie Holiday wasn't a jazz singer? Donrosebud's initial post is so ridiculous that I can't tell if he's putting us on or not.

Someone get Scatbo in here for a second opinion

lol