2017-18 NBA REGULAR SEASON THREAD PART 1 ALL OF AMERICAS FAVORITE TEAMS ARE BACK

the knicks hatred of hernangomez is baffling to me

for a while it seemed like they were moving toward a low key professional reffing but now everythings gone off the rails

Some in-game analyst said NBA refs are in rebuilding mode now. Never occurred to me that would be a thing (been watching over 30 yrs and it's never even been posited before), but yeah makes sense.

boggles my mind how there can only be like 6 people on Earth at any given time who are really good at being refs

truly weird. there's a lot to it, though. way more than just making the correct call. hard to be empathetic and a hard ass at the same time.

haha

Within 12 hours, Kristaps lost his season and had a friend traded. Strange but true: some coaches & team officials didn't like that Willy and KP would regularly communicate by speaking Spanish. No bueno. https://t.co/K29OUoIoe8

— Frank Isola (@FisolaNYDN) February 7, 2018

wtf

some of the anonymous quotes ive heard from refs are pretty wild, like real hatred for the players, not good

if i was a ref i'd probably hire an assassin to handle draymond, for the (ref) culture

yeah i mean im not saying its not understandable lol

the refs seem to like dray though, at least enough to not tech him up on every call

ha

dray is truly a master of boundary pushing

seems like there's a cycle of "this player is disrespecting me! And uh yeah disrespecting the Game too I guess, sure. I must put him in his place" --> "this ref thinks people pay to see HIM. I need to put him in his place!" --> "this player is disrespecting me!". I don't know how you get both sides to settle down other than just getting quality refs, which as Spottie mentioned depends on having a rare personality type.

he def called the woman ref a "fucking bitch" last night but they had been separated by that point

haha capitalizing Game there reads like I'm talking about the rapper

maybe they shd introduce some sort of warning tech thats not as punitive but tells the player to hey cool it buddy or youre getting a real one, and then also some way that makes the players feel like their complaints are being herd not sure what that wld be, especially since a lot of it is just in the heat of the moment and they players dont really want to like file some grievance abt a call

ultimately the problem is that the refs have no real power. they can T guys up but nobody is going to sympathize with them. they can let the league deal with it but five figure fines and one or two game suspensions isn't going to stop anybody. the players know this so they dog out the refs... the refs just kind of have to take it. i was listening to someone say that the old refs commanded respect and navigated the game and all that yada yada which is prob true but to the the solution -- expecting the players to not be dicks -- is not ever gonna happen so \(o_O)/

Lou Williams' new three-year deal with the Clippers will include a team option on the third year, league sources tell ESPN.

— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) February 7, 2018

giving a 31 year old a three year deal off of one hot month is the telltale sign of a messed up organization

gotta see how much its for but yeah the shape doesnt look good

feel like for a few years there was some success in getting players to not complain as much but now its back and in a worse more aggressive form, which prob has something to do with the officiating being worse and there being lots of newer refs who dont have experience in how to deal with players

maybe if the refs would like, you know, look at the players and address them directly instead of being all sheepish and walk away/turn their backs. like draymond got popped in the mouth and was bleeding pretty badly but the foul (not even sure it was a foul) was really hard to see in real time so maybe she could've just said "hey sorry I totally missed that, didn't have a good angle" or w/e

yeah that sort of thing wld go a long way im sure, the players are going to be super emotional its just in the nature of competition the refs have to be the ones to maintain their cool, but also sometimes the players are trying to have a conversation about a call when the ref is trying to currently do a different task at their job and often when the call was obvs good so its a pretty high stress situation

maybe the refs shd be trained to say heres what i think happened i mightve missed it we review the whole game and if theres a certain play you want looked at contact the office and well get back to you with our findings

and maybe instead of fining players for disrespecting refs the league shd make them take the ref out to a fancy restaurant and be nice to them

outward bound weekend retreat!

every ref should be a M.D. of Psychiatry imo.

trust falls

i don't think the ref saying "hey sorry i didn't see it" was going to stop draymond last night... and the fact that it wasn't a foul wasn't going to either

lol dray and cp3 at dinner w lauren holtkamp

and maybe instead of fining players for disrespecting refs the league shd make them take the ref out to a fancy restaurant and be nice to them

― lag∞n, Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:28 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark

this is a rly good idea. i bet most guys would rather pay $25,000 then have to spend an hour with the ref at dinner & incidents would decrease. and if they did they would prob come to a greater understanding about each other. i'm fully on board.

also make the players ref a game between the refs

i don't think the ref saying "hey sorry i didn't see it" was going to stop draymond last night... and the fact that it wasn't a foul wasn't going to either

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, February 7, 2018 11:31 AM (nineteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

prob not but at least at that point you could T him up and feel like you tried to explain idk

this is a rly good idea. i bet most guys would rather pay $25,000 then have to spend an hour with the ref at dinner & incidents would decrease. and if they did they would prob come to a greater understanding about each other. i'm fully on board.

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, February 7, 2018 1:32 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha exactly my thinking

maybe they shd introduce some sort of warning tech that's not as punitive but tells the player to hey cool it buddy or you're getting a real one

refs warn players to cool it all the time. if dray and others are pushing boundaries, they should expect to be pushed back. maybe it sucks for your team to get teched up several times a game, but I don't blame the refs. I blame players who think they don't need to change their behavior, because the fine$ that come with a technical are low enough they don't mind paying for the privilege of shitting the bed.

i am very mild mannered but probably the maddest ive ever been was at refs during some city league games years back. i was in one league that would require every player to be part of the ref crew for at least one game during the season, and it 100% changed my perspective. It was one of the hardest things i've ever done for real!

also make the players ref a game between the refs

lmao

there was a good tv segment were rodney harrison participated in ref training camp for a day, at one point he got really stoked abt a big hit and was like DAMN then realized he was reffing the game and was all o shit

haha

not lmao'ing at the notion (always good idea to get feuding sides to experience what it's like to be on the other side) so much as the image of teams of older people in ref outfits hoopin while super tall young guys in shorts and jersey patrol the perimeter w/whistles

that's how i read your lmao

i think maybe 3 techs per game wld be better, 1st one is a warning nothing happens except the stoppage of play, then the next two are just how the techs are now, allows for more of a progression and the 1st one is less punitive

1st tech, no pb&j for you. 2nd, no social media. 3rd, no card games. 4th, you have to ref a 1on1 game 'Sheed vs Rodman

otm

1st one is a warning nothing happens except the stoppage of play

Play stops but nothing happens? What's the freaking point? At least attach a fine. And while we are at it, fines should reflect a percentage of a player's salary, so the max contract players and rookie minimum players are put on a equal footing.

its just like the illegal defense warning

fines + Skip Bayless & Stephen A spend weekend at your house

jesus christ only if you murder a ref on court

"you've got to BUTTER THAT PAN before you cook the omelette, this is an OUTRAGE!!"

raptors fielding their best team this year but everyones ignoring them from being burned before

Raptors are the only team in the top 5 in both offensive & defensive efficiency.
Over last 40 years, 35 teams have been top 5 in both...
31 won a playoff series.
27 made the conf. finals.
14 made The Finals.
11 won the title.

— John Schuhmann (@johnschuhmann) February 7, 2018