why do i hate that artist thing that people keep posting on my facebook so much? why am i such a jerk?

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I hate to say it but a significant portion of the country still has no idea that latinx is a thing, even in that group, unless it's really wired-in teens or involved adults? I feel like my teacher friends would know but it's still seems very inconsistently known

mh, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 03:13 (six years ago) link

Dude the kids would be wondering what a "latinx" even was

albvivertine, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 03:56 (six years ago) link

Dear Latinx Students,
i _DID_ google this.

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 04:21 (six years ago) link

xps latinx feels common parlance in NYC but i guess that's NYC for you!

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 04:22 (six years ago) link

Dear white male students just stfu and go away I can't even

sleepingbag, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 04:39 (six years ago) link

xxxxxxxp, but "I'm not just saying that as a 45-year-old rock musician, but..." is kind of a self-own.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 04:47 (six years ago) link

I think this is the original?

My English teacher put this on her door today.. pic.twitter.com/ZYGiPtgiCJ

— Natalie Gomez (@natssfatss) November 10, 2016

soref, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 05:06 (six years ago) link

underlining the word 'not' in that other one just makes it look kind of sarcastic

soref, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 05:08 (six years ago) link

Would be better to say "I know you are not terrorists."

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 06:17 (six years ago) link

"oh really? Thanks for noticing"

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 10:15 (six years ago) link

jmm said what I was thinking.

In DC there is a charter school called "The School Without Walls."

When it sustained some damage in an earthquake several years ago, I was like "well DUH."

I'm walking on Sondheim (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 10:30 (six years ago) link

"Dear physically disabled children: you are NOT cripples nobody wants to play with. Keep that in your hearts!"

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 11:38 (six years ago) link

also excludes muslim students who are terrorists imo

But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 11:46 (six years ago) link

ugh having flashbacks to the Clinton campaign where the ads repeated & promoted all the worst things Trump said but in scary black and white to show we don't approve. like you are still associating those words together.

maybe come up w something positive next time

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 11:51 (six years ago) link

Or, perhaps, be full on positive, or full on negative- either works, just put your damn back into it. This weak-ass trying to be positive but just ending up with 'hey, that nasty stereotype about your religion/ethnicity isn't true, mmmkay'... just looks like the sort of thing online nazis would invent to mock libruls. Putting up a big poster in class saying FUCK TRUMP though, likely would make the kids feel a bit better.

But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 12:10 (six years ago) link

I'm trying to think how I would react as a kid to a "Muslims are not terrorists" sign. I would probably think "why does this have to be pointed out, are there Muslim terrorists?"

it's like if MacDonald's new slogan was "our food is not poison". You would start to think about how that food actually could be poison.

silverfish, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 12:30 (six years ago) link

once again, and forever more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R15LkyO8gq8

(for posterity, once this link dies, it was a link to the "salt in your eyes" sketch by kids in the hall)

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 12:32 (six years ago) link

But, like, the signs are not just refuting nasty stereotypes but actual things the actual President of the USA explicitly stated, right? Why would a Muslim kid not know this?

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:25 (six years ago) link

>>> it's like if MacDonald's new slogan was "our food is not poison". You would start to think about how that food actually could be poison.

^
There is a recent McDonalds advert like this that specifically says that their chicken nuggets are made of chicken meat, not other things as people have claimed.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:40 (six years ago) link

It is amazing. The ad is basically a series of people saying that they’ve heard there’s all sorts of dodgy stuff in McNuggets — “bits”, “beaks”, “beaks, feet”, “innards, feathers”, “bits, beaks and feet” – while a warmly indulgent voiceover reassures us it’s not true and that they’re actually made from “100% chicken breast”.

I’m sure that’s factually correct. The voiceover does not claim the chickens are free range and they aren’t. The cash value of the antibiotic-infused breast of a captive chicken is almost certainly so low that there’s really no need to start the fiddly business of harvesting whatever those creatures’ tortured existences have left of their beaks and feet, and then grinding them to the point where they could pass relatively safely through a human. So I don’t dispute the claim for an instant.

Nevertheless, at the end of the ad, three words are left echoing round your head: McNuggets, beaks and feet. Over those 40 seconds, the two concepts – “McNuggets” and “beaks and feet” – are inextricably joined in the mind, as if by some psychological welder.

This is such a peachy example of extreme foolishness I barely know where to start. How certain must the advertisers have been that everyone thought McNuggets were 100% beaks and feet, that they felt they had nothing to lose by addressing the issue head on? “I know what you’re all thinking – they’re just beaks and feet! But let me tell you, you’re wrong!” But what if that’s not what everyone was thinking? For every customer whose suspicions are allayed, there may be several who had never thought any such thing but now can’t get the idea out of their heads.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:42 (six years ago) link

https://vimeo.com/190883794

the pinefox, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:46 (six years ago) link

There's a Specsavers ad on the radio here right now that works like that. "There are a lot of myths and misconceptions about our eye care, that we'll gladly explain why they're just myths on our website", something like that. Every time it comes on I'm like: "*Why* are there myths about your eye care? And what are they? Must be something to it then, surely, where there's smoke etc". It's dumb.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:47 (six years ago) link

haha yeah we've talked about this before, in reference to a mcdonald's person-on-the-street ad with people shocked to learn the gourmet food truck they just sampled was actually mcdonald's. maybe on the food laboratory thread?

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:54 (six years ago) link

In terms of communications best practices, I think McDonald's is in a slightly different position than most other entities. They have thousands of ads and brand placements and their logo is on everything and in the developed world there is a restaurant approximately every fifteen feet.

99.9% of those are uniformly upbeat and positive messages about how much people love them.

As such, they can probably afford to have one (1) commercial that runs the risk of reinforcing a negative perception by attempting to debunk it. Like Coca-Cola, they're so dominant in their industry that they have some latitude to make a mistake every now and then.

There is a problematic Sarah Silverman bit where she says (paraphrasing here) not to tell girls "you can do anything!"

Because (so the argument goes) until you tell them that, it wouldn't occur to them that they couldn't, and telling them that merely introduces doubt (which wouldn't be there otherwise). Silverman goes on to say that it's like if someone said "I'm totally not going to read your diary when you're in the shower," you would start to wonder why. You'd assume that they were going to read your diary when you were in the shower.

She's wrong, btw (for two reasons: first, girls will always pick up limiting messages from somewhere, and secondly it's not at all comparable to the shower thing), but the idea is out there as a thing.

I'm walking on Sondheim (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:56 (six years ago) link

It's always a self own when marketers feel like they need to directly address negative perceptions.

Evan, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:57 (six years ago) link

On a second date, this girl was sorta gazing at my face, and I asked "What? What do you see?"

And she goes, "Just thinking how your nose really isn't that big."

pplains, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:57 (six years ago) link

The kids aren't terrorists. My nose may be a little large. Same sort of deal, though.

pplains, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:58 (six years ago) link

It's always a self own when marketers feel like they need to directly address negative perceptions.

And yet the universal PR advice to celebrity, political, and business scandal is "get out in front of it."

I'm walking on Sondheim (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:59 (six years ago) link

Lidl had a thing where they started with tweets of ppl saying shit like "no way is lidl beef from actual Scottish stock" and then they would send that person to their farm, or "lidl wine tastes like balls" and they'd send them to a vineyard in France. It always felt like the naysayer was going to be discreetly slaughtered offscreen.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:59 (six years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/5NfP1Ts.jpg

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 14:06 (six years ago) link

context is important, and these signs date back to fall of 2016. people who weren't used to speaking up, who weren't used to making their voices heard, who believed in keeping "politics" out of the classroom, suddenly felt compelled to disagree. and we can argue about how they did that, but i'm glad they did.

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 14:10 (six years ago) link

I'm not speaking as a member of any of these groups, but the cumulative effect of all of the signs together might mitigate the risk of perpetuating (by denial) the individual associations in a way that would make a student uncomfortable. The total intent is more clearly to make a welcoming environment for everyone.

jmm, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 14:23 (six years ago) link

Why would being sent to a vineyard change yr opinion that lidl wine tastes like baws?

But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 14:28 (six years ago) link

also the woman clearly knows fuck all about wine and come the fuck on it's not real they're all actors it's just marketing take off nuke the planet from orbit it's the only way to be sure

"oh no my cheds" man had dark to black packet (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 16:00 (six years ago) link

Well yeah, of course it's fake. Also for those who do buy into it doesn't it translate as an incentive to go talk shit about Lidl products online on the off chance you'll get a free trip out of it?

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 17:35 (six years ago) link

jesus...

scott seward, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:28 (six years ago) link

its good to have goals i guess...

scott seward, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:29 (six years ago) link

I want to be that old lady

"oh no my cheds" man had dark to black packet (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:32 (six years ago) link

"the corner of the countryside"

omar little, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:32 (six years ago) link

i AM a fan of funky ornaments...

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/51/0f/fd/510ffd621d07d3c1a8112e653a10ac74--george-clinton-clinton-njie.jpg

scott seward, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:33 (six years ago) link

i think i bought some healing crystals from that lady in Ashland Oregon.

omar little, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:34 (six years ago) link

Go back and become her

Evan, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:35 (six years ago) link

Lidl had a thing where they started with tweets of ppl saying shit like "no way is lidl beef from actual Scottish stock" and then they would send that person to their farm, or "lidl wine tastes like balls" and they'd send them to a vineyard in France. It always felt like the naysayer was going to be discreetly slaughtered offscreen.


I stopped giving Lidl my custom when these ads failed to show them responding to these fuckwits' tweets with "the country of origin is written on the fucking label you dopey cunt, try fucking looking next time" instead of "come visit our farm"

scrüt (wins), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:40 (six years ago) link

roses are red
dumb rhymes

stop it

marcos, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:41 (six years ago) link

The lady in the countryside? The wind chimes will be made from her bones after she's eaten by all the animals

I'm walking on Sondheim (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:51 (six years ago) link


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