why do i hate that artist thing that people keep posting on my facebook so much? why am i such a jerk?

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I'm trying to think how I would react as a kid to a "Muslims are not terrorists" sign. I would probably think "why does this have to be pointed out, are there Muslim terrorists?"

it's like if MacDonald's new slogan was "our food is not poison". You would start to think about how that food actually could be poison.

silverfish, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 12:30 (six years ago) link

once again, and forever more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R15LkyO8gq8

(for posterity, once this link dies, it was a link to the "salt in your eyes" sketch by kids in the hall)

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 12:32 (six years ago) link

But, like, the signs are not just refuting nasty stereotypes but actual things the actual President of the USA explicitly stated, right? Why would a Muslim kid not know this?

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:25 (six years ago) link

>>> it's like if MacDonald's new slogan was "our food is not poison". You would start to think about how that food actually could be poison.

^
There is a recent McDonalds advert like this that specifically says that their chicken nuggets are made of chicken meat, not other things as people have claimed.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:40 (six years ago) link

It is amazing. The ad is basically a series of people saying that they’ve heard there’s all sorts of dodgy stuff in McNuggets — “bits”, “beaks”, “beaks, feet”, “innards, feathers”, “bits, beaks and feet” – while a warmly indulgent voiceover reassures us it’s not true and that they’re actually made from “100% chicken breast”.

I’m sure that’s factually correct. The voiceover does not claim the chickens are free range and they aren’t. The cash value of the antibiotic-infused breast of a captive chicken is almost certainly so low that there’s really no need to start the fiddly business of harvesting whatever those creatures’ tortured existences have left of their beaks and feet, and then grinding them to the point where they could pass relatively safely through a human. So I don’t dispute the claim for an instant.

Nevertheless, at the end of the ad, three words are left echoing round your head: McNuggets, beaks and feet. Over those 40 seconds, the two concepts – “McNuggets” and “beaks and feet” – are inextricably joined in the mind, as if by some psychological welder.

This is such a peachy example of extreme foolishness I barely know where to start. How certain must the advertisers have been that everyone thought McNuggets were 100% beaks and feet, that they felt they had nothing to lose by addressing the issue head on? “I know what you’re all thinking – they’re just beaks and feet! But let me tell you, you’re wrong!” But what if that’s not what everyone was thinking? For every customer whose suspicions are allayed, there may be several who had never thought any such thing but now can’t get the idea out of their heads.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:42 (six years ago) link

https://vimeo.com/190883794

the pinefox, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:46 (six years ago) link

There's a Specsavers ad on the radio here right now that works like that. "There are a lot of myths and misconceptions about our eye care, that we'll gladly explain why they're just myths on our website", something like that. Every time it comes on I'm like: "*Why* are there myths about your eye care? And what are they? Must be something to it then, surely, where there's smoke etc". It's dumb.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:47 (six years ago) link

haha yeah we've talked about this before, in reference to a mcdonald's person-on-the-street ad with people shocked to learn the gourmet food truck they just sampled was actually mcdonald's. maybe on the food laboratory thread?

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:54 (six years ago) link

In terms of communications best practices, I think McDonald's is in a slightly different position than most other entities. They have thousands of ads and brand placements and their logo is on everything and in the developed world there is a restaurant approximately every fifteen feet.

99.9% of those are uniformly upbeat and positive messages about how much people love them.

As such, they can probably afford to have one (1) commercial that runs the risk of reinforcing a negative perception by attempting to debunk it. Like Coca-Cola, they're so dominant in their industry that they have some latitude to make a mistake every now and then.

There is a problematic Sarah Silverman bit where she says (paraphrasing here) not to tell girls "you can do anything!"

Because (so the argument goes) until you tell them that, it wouldn't occur to them that they couldn't, and telling them that merely introduces doubt (which wouldn't be there otherwise). Silverman goes on to say that it's like if someone said "I'm totally not going to read your diary when you're in the shower," you would start to wonder why. You'd assume that they were going to read your diary when you were in the shower.

She's wrong, btw (for two reasons: first, girls will always pick up limiting messages from somewhere, and secondly it's not at all comparable to the shower thing), but the idea is out there as a thing.

I'm walking on Sondheim (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:56 (six years ago) link

It's always a self own when marketers feel like they need to directly address negative perceptions.

Evan, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:57 (six years ago) link

On a second date, this girl was sorta gazing at my face, and I asked "What? What do you see?"

And she goes, "Just thinking how your nose really isn't that big."

pplains, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:57 (six years ago) link

The kids aren't terrorists. My nose may be a little large. Same sort of deal, though.

pplains, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:58 (six years ago) link

It's always a self own when marketers feel like they need to directly address negative perceptions.

And yet the universal PR advice to celebrity, political, and business scandal is "get out in front of it."

I'm walking on Sondheim (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:59 (six years ago) link

Lidl had a thing where they started with tweets of ppl saying shit like "no way is lidl beef from actual Scottish stock" and then they would send that person to their farm, or "lidl wine tastes like balls" and they'd send them to a vineyard in France. It always felt like the naysayer was going to be discreetly slaughtered offscreen.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 13:59 (six years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/5NfP1Ts.jpg

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 14:06 (six years ago) link

context is important, and these signs date back to fall of 2016. people who weren't used to speaking up, who weren't used to making their voices heard, who believed in keeping "politics" out of the classroom, suddenly felt compelled to disagree. and we can argue about how they did that, but i'm glad they did.

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 14:10 (six years ago) link

I'm not speaking as a member of any of these groups, but the cumulative effect of all of the signs together might mitigate the risk of perpetuating (by denial) the individual associations in a way that would make a student uncomfortable. The total intent is more clearly to make a welcoming environment for everyone.

jmm, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 14:23 (six years ago) link

Why would being sent to a vineyard change yr opinion that lidl wine tastes like baws?

But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 14:28 (six years ago) link

also the woman clearly knows fuck all about wine and come the fuck on it's not real they're all actors it's just marketing take off nuke the planet from orbit it's the only way to be sure

"oh no my cheds" man had dark to black packet (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 16:00 (six years ago) link

Well yeah, of course it's fake. Also for those who do buy into it doesn't it translate as an incentive to go talk shit about Lidl products online on the off chance you'll get a free trip out of it?

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 17:35 (six years ago) link

jesus...

scott seward, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:28 (six years ago) link

its good to have goals i guess...

scott seward, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:29 (six years ago) link

I want to be that old lady

"oh no my cheds" man had dark to black packet (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:32 (six years ago) link

"the corner of the countryside"

omar little, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:32 (six years ago) link

i AM a fan of funky ornaments...

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/51/0f/fd/510ffd621d07d3c1a8112e653a10ac74--george-clinton-clinton-njie.jpg

scott seward, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:33 (six years ago) link

i think i bought some healing crystals from that lady in Ashland Oregon.

omar little, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:34 (six years ago) link

Go back and become her

Evan, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:35 (six years ago) link

Lidl had a thing where they started with tweets of ppl saying shit like "no way is lidl beef from actual Scottish stock" and then they would send that person to their farm, or "lidl wine tastes like balls" and they'd send them to a vineyard in France. It always felt like the naysayer was going to be discreetly slaughtered offscreen.


I stopped giving Lidl my custom when these ads failed to show them responding to these fuckwits' tweets with "the country of origin is written on the fucking label you dopey cunt, try fucking looking next time" instead of "come visit our farm"

scrüt (wins), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:40 (six years ago) link

roses are red
dumb rhymes

stop it

marcos, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:41 (six years ago) link

The lady in the countryside? The wind chimes will be made from her bones after she's eaten by all the animals

I'm walking on Sondheim (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:51 (six years ago) link

i actually read this because someone posted it on facebook. so it belongs here. true life hermit comic.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-cavedwelling-hermitess-of-colonial-america

scott seward, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 18:55 (six years ago) link

as i read it, the american podcasting voice takes over in my head

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 19:27 (six years ago) link

Author Unknown

https://i.imgur.com/SYLzfgy.jpg

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 23:12 (six years ago) link

I remember when we all had one ego, in the singular

Entrepreneurial Jism Unshackler (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 23:37 (six years ago) link

I remember eating gruel and getting beaten. Life was simpler then.

nickn, Wednesday, 14 February 2018 23:39 (six years ago) link

that right there is the pure distilled essence

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 23:42 (six years ago) link

How the hell’d anorexia end up in there


Also fuck these people in their antediluvian ear holes

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 23:48 (six years ago) link

What is it about tedious miserable dipshits that makes them so nostalgic for corporal punishment

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Wednesday, 14 February 2018 23:49 (six years ago) link

I remember the Comic; Sans of my youth

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 15 February 2018 00:41 (six years ago) link

And not from a freezer; or shop.

the pinefox, Thursday, 15 February 2018 08:15 (six years ago) link

Shops didn't exist prior to 1996, its true

But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 15 February 2018 08:23 (six years ago) link

We didn't have ill people, they b all dead.

Mark G, Thursday, 15 February 2018 09:16 (six years ago) link

no anorexia cos nobody cared about no crazy bitches who didn't eat lol, long as they could still cook

But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 15 February 2018 10:22 (six years ago) link

^ uh, irony there

But doctor, I am Camille Paglia (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 15 February 2018 10:23 (six years ago) link

cinema was famously free on Saturdays

kinder, Thursday, 15 February 2018 13:38 (six years ago) link

dinner came hot from the oven, not from a freezer

does the writer think that people just suck on frozen meals like they're fucking ice lollies instead of, y'know, cooking them in the oven

albondigas con gas (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 15 February 2018 13:48 (six years ago) link


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