Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

Anti-choicers constantly bringing up abortion as a barter to mass murder from guns drives me nuts. Not saying that this argument was made here but each time I see it (which is plenty) I want to stab myself in the uterus.

I was wondering about the efficacy of protesting NRA beneficiaries with giant bloody posters of shot children and names of victims. Probably someone would shoot you.

Let's arm everyone with guns and then let the mental health safety net (which btw we've slowly poked more and more holes in over time) catch the dangerous ones. (PS -- we didn't make the net very large so it's easy to go around and past it unnoticed, right to the school and /or workplace on the other side.)

I'm not an anti-choicer, I just wanted to counter the incorrect claim that the NRA is unique in its uncompromisingness.

The NRA is not unique in its lack of compromise. It's also not unique for being an organization of people. I don't see how bringing pro-choice activism into this argument is at all useful.

If you repeal the second amendment, wouldn’t this become a state issue? I don’t know if that’s the best outcome. Wouldn’t you need to pass a law around possession and enforcement too? I don’t know anything about law. I need a V(il)ox(or) explainer.

― Allen (etaeoe), Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:36 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes, you would need to pass all kinds of laws probably - but passing all those laws and making them stick is currently impossible because of the way the second amendment has been transformed through radical gun-activist interpretations over the last few decades. repealing the amendment is just a step towards being able to do anything at the federal or state level.

it does have its own thread, fwiw: Repeal the Second Amendment

only way 2nd amendment repeal would work is unilateral top-down disarmament: military, police, Paul Blart, Wal-Mart, etc. any form of repeal where a cop can own a gun and regular citizens can't isn't going to work for obvious reasons

Yeah, the state having a monopoly on force is not going to work for anyone.

Plus, the only way to enforce repealing the 2nd amendment would be for the government to literally go door to door and take everyone's guns away. Talk about prophecy fulfillment.

“not trying to bring up any moral equivalence or whatever but pro-choice activists take such an uncompromising stance too, no?”

This is the craziest fucking thing I’ve read today.

Saw this: "It’s been 8,008 days since the UK had a school shooting. The United States has had 18 since January 1st."

it was the Dunblane massacre that precipitated tighter gun control laws in the UK, and the result was...

i didn't read all the recent posts but re the video game / violence link it should be pointed out that violent video games almost certainly reduce crime. iirc it's not clear whether that's bc it's an outlet for aggression or, (imo), more likely bc if you're playing video games you're busy not doing violent stuff. (nb this is also why when there's a big action film released there are fewer crimes committed - bc a lot of the young males who commit the crimes are watching a flick and not drinking / partying + subsequently making bad decisions).

cf https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18045578

hey america, you're doing it wrong

student loans
health care
mass killings

compared with other industrialized countries your problems are OFF THE FUCKING SCALE

Dude we know okay, take a back seat

Way things are going, I will myself be shouting that shit at the US from the outside soon enough.

Nikolas Cruz, the alleged gunman who killed at least 17 people at a Florida high school on Wednesday, trained with a white-supremacist group, its leader told the Anti-Defamation League. Jordan Jereb of the Republic of Florida told ADL that Cruz had participated in at least one training exercise near Tallahassee area, carpooling with other ROF members from south Florida. ADL reports the group describes itself as a “white civil rights organization fighting for white identitarian politics” and seeks to create a “white ethnostate” in Florida.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nikolas-cruz-trained-with-florida-white-supremacist-group-leader-says

there we go

Oh! And:

A spokesperson for the white supremacist group Republic of Florida (ROF) told the Anti-Defamation League on Thursday, February 15, that Nikolas Cruz, the man charged with the previous day’s deadly shooting spree at a Parkland, Florida, high school, was associated with his group.

But but mental problems.

BREAKING: Leader of white nationalist group has confirmed suspect in Florida school shooting was member of his organization.

give everyone all the guns, then let's guess which ones are going to kill children. we might get lucky!

I'm sure there's a lot of good people in that group, one member with mental problems shouldn't tarnish their reputation.

has this been posted already?

https://www.massshootingtracker.org/data/2018

Oh okay, so he's just a white supremacist and not a t-t-terrorist? Whew, what a relief.

And to think that I was grateful one of these shitbags was finally going to prison. He'll be welcomed with open arms.

how long before we are reading this kid's r/T_D post ?

So cool how white males are the biggest problem in this country from top to bottom.

https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27752439_733648053496551_7577427506378563946_n.jpg?oh=50d8c1897dae8d7e89691405b9ad5524&oe=5B196E97

thank god we got to the bottom of this

it's our fault for not looking

i was looking at recent mass shootings and i completely forgot about the one in Sutherland Springs TX a few months ago. there's too many to keep track of at this point.

yeah it's nuts. the kill count on this was higher than Columbine and it'll be out of the news cycle in two days (unless Trump manages to say something completely insensitive, in which case it'll be...maybe three?)

xp to that fucking stupid facebook meme:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Mass_Shooting_Deaths_by_Year_1994-2017.jpg

that 1999 spike being columbine of course

people are mentioning "he left a comment on a YouTube video" but weirdly no one has mentioned that the YouTube blogger in question pretty much makes videos solely about bounty hunting. like, talk about violent video games or whatever but at least right now this is the stuff we know he's (probably) looking up

Tomorrow the stocks of gun distributors and manufacturers will rise, as they always do. We have a market that falls when the poor secure slightly better wages and rises when there are mass shootings. The problem goes well beyond assault rifles. It is life's subservience to profit

— Emma Caterine 🌹⚖️💸 (@EmmaCaterine) February 15, 2018

Every time another one of these mass shootings happen - right when the Republicans start telling us that the answer is more guns, guns for everyone, guns for teachers, guns for students - I think about Chris Kyle.

— dame judi dench's secret woodland (@markpopham) February 15, 2018

^^ that's a whole thread, worth reading

these events totally make me think about video games. i think people are trying to outdo each other. see how many people they can kill. people who are angry and depressed. instead of killing themselves by themselves they decide to take their anger out on others and also see if they can get the new high score. the only hope is that its a horrible fad. like the hula hoop. but it doesn't seem to be waning in popularity.

From nikolascruzmakarov's instagram:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DWCNKAUUQAE_164.jpg

come on scott you're better than that

hey scott the entire rest of the world is playing the same games

tbf not the *entire* rest of the world

a point I will concede about games is that they are a potential funnel into a lot of overtly white supremacist-type spaces. but a potential one, not a definite one

i didn't read that post of scott's as blaming this on video games, i thought it was an analogy. i could be wrong (i usually am)

Senator from Florida on Channel 4 informing the UK that the problem is that these shootings are happening in areas where law abiding citizens aren't prevented from carrying guns.

Sorry, ignore that.

Senator from Florida on Channel 4 informing the UK that the problem is that these shootings are happening in areas where law abiding citizens ARE prevented from carrying guns.

He literally said the only way to stop the misuse of guns is with guns.

now seeing this video all over FB in which some rectangle headed bearded dude shouts at the camera about how shootings like this occur because students are too afraid to report "weird" kids because they're afraid to be called racist or homophobic, then screaming "YOUR FEELINGS ARE NOT WORTH A CHILD'S LIFE!"

never mind that the shooter was white and got expelled, so clearly someone reported him for something

this video has 11 million views by the way

He literally said the only way to stop the misuse of guns is with guns.

This trope has seeped deeply into the US gun-owning population psyche, where it is currently accepted as a truism: the only person who stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.