the alt-right

Father Ted is great but Linehan's sitcom work has been steadily declining since then and yeah, bad and terfy on twitter. I still love Seinfeld too but wouldn't list the dude as amongst my fav comedians.

Stewart Lee isn't really Guardian, he had Guardiandom thrust upon him. His entirely sensible reaction has been to record a Free Jazz album and announce his retirement.

Josie Long is a an angel and a hero, I miss her Camden comedy nights something fierce. But she is also perky and optimistic, so it shouldn't surprise anyone you can find lots of hate for her in the ILX archives.

Frankie Boyle? Particularly after he got too woke to compare Becky Alsington’s face to a spoon any more.

The proverbial stopped clock iirc

Didn't know lee had announced his retirement!

He calls it a break not a retirement - but I'm still guessin' those Southbank tickets will seel out fast. Can totally understand it tho - someone who's made a living of being contrarian and abrasive gets to the stage where they're almost universally acclaimed, it's gotta fuck up the shtick to some extent.

http://www.chortle.co.uk/news/2018/01/31/39027/stewart_lee_to_take_a_break_from_stand-up

Well also he can maybe afford not to do it, and who wants to be doing standup in their 50s

Also run out of material about kids' TV and driving on the motorway

the alt-right

shocking, I know

So Jordan Peterson admits that he has been accused "three times during (his) career of sexual impropriety."

That explains a lot of his views & behaviour. pic.twitter.com/l9IsYHgAyg

— Sacha Saeen (@_Saeen_) February 17, 2018

Good news everyone

Slavoj Žižek says that Jordan Peterson is a conspiracy theorist and accepts his invitation to debate, choosing New York City in October. https://t.co/pDhg1c7Ec0

— Jack Smith IV (@JackSmithIV) February 19, 2018

Hell yes

stoked for the madness

(what are the chances peterson is gonna end up disgraced and abandoned by october tho)

Totally disagree with ppl itt saying that Peterson isn't worth serious critique or debate. that kind of intellectual/cultural elitism only emboldens Peterson and makes his audience grow. glad that Zizek is going to debate him. I thought his column about the lack of critique from the left and the lack of a defense beyond a patronizing "it's self evident" from the left was otm.

peterson isn't worth of debate and it's not due to elitism - he's a tenured professor at U of T and now best-selling author, he is the elite - it's that his ideas aren't worth engaging with and it's best not to give him the oxygen of publicity

zizek is an entertainer and troll as much as a thinker so it makes sense for his brand

whatever you think of his ideas, he needs to be engaged because of the audience he's garnering: very impressionable and seemingly more open-minded to criticism than fans of other explicitly alt right figures. Zizek is the perfect person to do it precisely for the reasons you stated

if they debate and zizek hands his ass to him, it will do nothing to dissuade or deter peterson's fans who will maintain that he crushed zizek with logic

flappy bird otm.

this is gonna be awesome but anyone who thinks zizek is going to debunk jp or whatever doesn't understand zizek

if they debate and zizek hands his ass to him, it will do nothing to dissuade or deter peterson's fans who will maintain that he crushed zizek with logic

― khat person (jim in vancouver), Monday, February 19, 2018 2:43 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

some, maybe. but this is fatalistic and again, dangerously dismissive. he needs to be interrogated, even if it starts with Zizek. certainly an improvement over some hapless cable tv host or sam fuckin harris

nah, flappy, you're wrong on this. Peterson is the intellectual equivalent of a toddler throwing spaghetti at the wall, or a Rorschach test for bigoted assholes. He introduces so much bullshit so quickly and his audiences are so gullible and so filled with unearned intellectual confidence that any critique is gonna be useless.

Peterson looked like an idiot in that vice interview, but do you see fans of his saying, "Oh, man, the emperor has no clothes after all. What was I thinking?"?

like I'd love to see Peterson get flustered because Zizek asks him questions on subjects he always suggests he has expertise in, like "Can you name two self-avowed postmodernists and give a brief summary of what they believe?" or something about Marxist bugbears like secular stagnation and financialization, but his audience doesn't admire Peterson for his erudition or his intellectual integrity, and they're gonna enthusiastically slurp up whatever dodge he offers them.

again zizek is not going to debunk him. if anything i think zizek may be able to draw interesting ideas out of him or at least locate grounds for debate that are productive. i very seriously doubt he's going in to do a fisking of JP and i expect at least a few occasions where they are able to "find common ground." it'll be entertaining af but be prepared don't be disappointed.

ps my roommate has been mainlining this dude's lectures and proselytizing about him and I hate him so much

ugh my condolences

I'm sorry (not sorry) but any of you who think a "debate" between two self-fellating white men on the moot topic of white male supremacy is worthwhile, necessary, or might "draw some interesting ideas out," or all of the above, are on some very, very heavy and bad drugs that are affecting your ability to think your way out of a paper bag that's had the bottom cut out. You also seem grossly ignorant of what period of history we're living in. If you want to appreciate it like some kind of noize actionist art show, fine, but please please please don't act like either of these dudes has any merit other than challopsing at saddos with the full force of their solitaire scrabble scores.

Trying to think of something less relevant to human existence that's planned for eight months from now and can't come up with one.

if you don't see how zizek debating jp will be entertaining you should just pull your head out of your ass and stop worrying about being the wokest white guy in the room

Agree with Tombot 1000%. Both these men should be fired naked out of a space shuttle hatch; the video of them exploding into frozen meat-shards would be infinitely more illuminating than anything either of them has ever thought, said, or written.

I find it entertaining to say "fuck you, clown" to people who pay so little attention to the world that they think this is going to be worth anyone's time

sure but

challopsing at saddos

new board description

el tomboto otm

"You also seem grossly ignorant of what period of history we're living in." sorry but this is dumb af

If you want to appreciate it like some kind of noize actionist art show, fine

saddo as an insult all the time lately, why. seems a little kick-someone-while-they're-down-y. fuck the happyos imo.

lol at the thread that got bumped while i was typing that

http://thephilosophicalsalon.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/big_cd4fdd4b37-120x150.jpg

some, maybe. but this is fatalistic and again, dangerously dismissive. he needs to be interrogated, even if it starts with Zizek. certainly an improvement over some hapless cable tv host or sam fuckin harris

― flappy bird, lundi 19 février 2018 14:50 (fifty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Dunno if it crossed the border but he has been endlessly interrogated here in Canada. However, the fans of The Great Jordan Alpha will keep claiming he has Logic™ and Science™ on his side so no one will be effectively convinced, and the fact that he managed to deftly monetize so much of these debates or these columns is exactly how his mini-empire is growing. A video can be edited on so many ways and we all know which parts the fans will keep for posterity, which parts they will ignore (who now even branded themselves as lobsters for some reason), and all of that matters little, because he is not an intellectual but a preacher. And the choir has him as some father figure, a bunch of lost boys who felt betrayed by women by whatever method and who are generally aimless (a friend of mine is exactly of this kind and finds him very interesting/likes him). What I'm trying to say, and parroting what El Tomboto explained, is that there is absolutely nothing to gain from a debate with this guy, and if it is in your heart to engage with the problem Peterson represents, engage with the individuals that love him so much instead of the Grand Master zhimself.

Peterson should just debate a scarecrow since he's usually only arguing strawmen anyway

w/r/t lobsters: https://theconversation.com/psychologist-jordan-peterson-says-lobsters-help-to-explain-why-human-hierarchies-exist-do-they-90489

interrogations and arguments change people's minds almost as infrequently as condemnation

so the only way to depopularise jordy p is to...

wait till they realize the snake oil has changed nothing in their lives.

@jordanbpeterson I have admired your work for years, sir, and am thrilled at your sudden success. You changed my life years ago and I want to say thank you. Thank you.

— Norm Macdonald (@normmacdonald) February 15, 2018

What's the danger of ignoring how other ppl listen to Jordan peterson

might miss the odd lazy zing idk

Fuck ya

You know just where to aim

xp the same way you change your thinking about anything, by getting more expansive, either by going deeper in & teasing it out or, if you have ppl's attention, by elucidating a more convincing view attractively

otm

so the only way to depopularise jordy p is to...

― imago

convince the world that he was the guy who did "dur dur d'etre bebe"

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