Marvel Comics blabbery

xp: bruce banner is still dead i think and the refocus is on jen walters; i don't think there even IS a current issue of the hulk
i might be cynical but i'm fairly sure the only reason for this is movie rights issues

Cho is still Hulk iirc, and there are separate Hulk and She-Hulk titles currently.

How do movie rights play in(?)

hawkeye killed the hulk btw. i think the amadeus cho "totally awesome hulk" is still bumping around in the Champions series but his role in the MU seems pretty minimal these days. there was a horrible weapon x/hulk storyline last year that pretty much killed all my interest in the character. he was not too badly written for awhile there!

http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2017/07/how-marvel-made-hulk-movie-that-was-never-supposed-to-happen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-Dvi9KzZK8

don cheadle busting the hell outta ruffalo's balls there

they’re going to bring Bruce back soon, I think

Namor?

― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, February 15, 2018 12:44 PM

Btw (circling back), this also struck me as funny... wasn’t Namor a member of like the most powerful secret team of heroes ever assembled (the “Illuminati”)... and now he’s hanging with these scrubs?

“Despite my hatred and distrust of surface-dwellers, I could not resist the opportunity to team up with... Honey Badger!”

"you're too old now, let's be real" :D

Didn't Banner come back already? Or am I confusing it with the last time he died and came back?

the hand resurrected him for a minute

tbf if I were them I wouldn’t have passed up the opportunity, either

So is that Hawkeye killing the Hulk thing tied to Old Man Logan or something? I saw that Old Man Logan was in the regular comics for a while, but haven't followed it all in a few years. I kinda checked out around time Bendis' Avengers run ended.

Old Man Logan is one of a handful of characters (can't remember all of them...Miles Morales, an alternate universe Squadron Supreme member, etc.) from other earths who crossed over to 616 (or whatever they're calling it now) during the Secret Wars thing.

Old Man Logan's still in the regular comics and has his own title set in a contemporary period. I can see where the covers and promotion would make it confusing. The character has both had a mystical trip back to his own reality, where hulks are villains, and has encountered more hulks that were dimension- and time-displaced that he had to wipe out, and he picked Hawkeye to help him.

So because Clint killed Banner he’s now an expert Hulk-killer?

it was mentioned, but it was more an homage to the Clint/Old Logan plot of the original storyline

Yeah I noticed they’re doing an “Old Man Hawkeye” series now.

Just a mini, I believe, set in the original OML timeline.

It seemed super familiar to me, and then I realized I was thinking of Old Green Arrow from “The Dark Knight Returns.”

I seem to remember Hickman destroyed Millar's future Marvel timeline *ages* ago during his Fantastic Four run, but I guess Secret Wars punched the universe or something

All imaginary stories iirc.

Infinite earths and all that. I think there's always the easy out of positing the existence of yet another reality which is nearly identical to one that we've already seen.

They kinda did this during Secret Wars itself in the Ultimate End mini where the Ultimate characters interacted with their 616 counterparts...except they were actually like 616 counterparts from a different earth than the actual 616 characters who've been around for decades (because by that point 616 had already been destroyed save a handful of survivors). It was kinda confusing as all hell.

They were the Grand Rapids 616

This is why I don’t get why DC or Marvel still pretends to “destroy” a universe or timeline. They always come back or are revived in a near exact facsimile. Same as “killing off” a major character.

every story is a story that can be revisited in fiction

you just say “here’s a magic box that lets these two things interact” and boom, there you go

If you remember how exciting “Crisis on Infinite Earths” was, the first time around — it felt like DC was doing radical things that would change their universe forever. Can only go to that well once!

then again https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/0/09/Superman_vs_The_Amazing_Spider-Man_001.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20071025040848

Oh jesus christ, come the fuck on already: https://www.polygon.com/comics/2018/2/20/17031924/marvel-fresh-start-relaunch-announcement

Everything is relaunching! Again!

Marvel, I'm the biggest apologist Zombie in the world, and this is me telling you that I'm frankly sick of this shit.

Not paying any attention to current Marvel product, didn't know this before, which seems absolutely insane to me:

Marvel will be abandoning the confusing renumbering of September’s Marvel Legacy, which renumbered every Marvel title as if it had never been relaunched or renumbered. As an example, Black Panther #18 in September 2017 was followed immediately by Black Panther #166 in October.

That is not in and of itself a bad idea, and has happened on a title-by-title basis once or twice - not being able to hold to it for more than six months is just laughable, though.

they should take an arbitrary large number that's more than any particular series has run and start the numbering there

everyone's at issue #900 next year

The Legacy renumbering was, I'm sure, an adjustment for some people but it made some sense if, as Andrew says, they'd stuck with it. Now it just makes them look insane.

The Yoshida Cebulski era is not off to a very auspicious start.

The received wisdom in the comics biz was always that huge issue numbers put 'new readers' off, because they didn't like the thought of trying to collect and read eg 899 prior comics.

I'm curious to know how new readers feel about four different Amazing Spider-Man #1-s in less than five years.

I'm curious to know if there are any 'new readers' any more.

(Sorry, I may have exaggerated the number of issues by one. But only because the first was technically Superior Spider-Man #1.)

xpost Seriously. I can't believe that initiatives like this attract new readers in significant numbers, but I'm sure they turn off new-ish readers who wonder why the fuck things are constantly restarting and they definitely turn off long-time readers who want them to just keep telling their goddamn stories already without all the gimmicky bullshit.

This old reader feels odd about Dan Slott suddenly having written Spider-Man for a decade, I'll tell you that for nothing.

I guess he's done as of the relaunch? Marvel's been cagey with their May solicits so I can't be sure. I think Nick Spencer is taking the reins.

Jason Aaron taking over Avengers is a welcome change, I will say.

For sure, shame it's Ed Mcguiness though

Also these new lines will invariably have their trade paperbacks labeled as Vol 1 - it's insane trying to figure out the order of Marvel's trades, every comic has like 10 Vol 1s!

It's like having a page-a-day calendar that starts over at January 1st every couple of months.

Fair play, they did keep the same TPB numbering for Ms. Marvel when it was restarted back in (oof) 2016.

Agreed re: Jason Aaron – that’s the only detail here that keeps my eyes from rolling any back further in my head. But otherwise, yeah – this is totes redunk. The “Legacy” thing just happened! It’s still ramping up!

(If there are good series with good creative teams, idgaf about the numbering. But the ever-faster clip of these new “initiatives” smell so phony and desperate.)

a propos of nada i'v been going back through hickman's run starting with secret warriors... it's pretty amazing tbh. like all the seeds of Secret Wars are there in secret warriors and early FF run