Black Panther (2018), dir Ryan Coogler

Yeah, however, you gotta remember that the lefty political stuff of Huey P Newton poster/Public Enemy poster represented the bad guy(!!) and the more personal Kendrick stuff represented the good guy, so it makes sense that it was Sounwave

It's kind of wild to think about how the Killmonger ethos of "seize the means of production and weaponize the oppressed" would have fit right in on ca. 1992 Bay Area rap records like 2Pac, Paris and the Coup; and now something being universally praised as one of the most radical movies of all time treats that like an throwback for a bad guy's origin story

Dammmnnnnnn

well in the nineties, the oppressed hadn't weaponized our own passenger planes against us, and we hadn't responded by occupying two countries on bullshit assumptions and pretense

I didn't get that. T'Chaka's brother who was embedded in Oakland as a spy was violating their non-intervention rules by trying to introduce Wakandan technology, even hiring someone to break into Wakanda to steal it at great cost to his own people. It wasn't that they weren't willing to help people outside Wakanda, it was they refused to tip their hand and provide material resources.

Would have been neat if they got the Bomb Squad to do some of the score,

the Bomb Squad split up 25 years ago (almost 28 for the proper lineup!) so nah

I know, I meant reunited in some regard.

Fun observations: Killmonger's "Hey, Auntie" brought the house down in my theater, as did Danai Gurira taking off her wig and throwing it in a guy's face.

oh yeah that was a great line

my favourite gurira moment was her sly little grin and wink to shuri when t’challa arrives in wakanda for the first time - just a lovely little character touch that perfectly punctures the cool detachment we’ve seen from her up to that point

I know, I meant reunited in some regard.

yeah but my point is that they'd suck now if they did

Biggest reactions in my theater were to "hey, auntie," and maybe Killmonger going "'S'up." Driest joke maybe the "sneakers" joke. Lil' sis got a lot of good lines. No one laughed at the soundcloud/mixtape joke.

yeah, all the WHAT ARE THOSE MY SOUNDCLOUD MIXTAPE I MADE IT RAIN jokes were super cringey and I was thinking, "What do these guys think we're teenagers or something?" and then it's like ... "Oh... oh yeah."

i did enjoy ‘what are thoooooose’ because i still miss vine

but those jokes in the hands of the white dudes were maybe intentionally cringey?

they should have had a button on the hologram ship that just said NUT

xpost that is a very generous reading imo, but not out of the realm of possibility

veg otm

and as someone said upthread klaw’s whole thing is stealing black culture literally and figuratively, it kinda makes sense he’d have a mixtape and be embarrassingly enthusiastic about it

it still doesn't explain away "what are thoooooooose"

"what are those" was the biggest laugh by far when I saw it

‘what are those’ might not age well tbf but it made me lol, suck it whiney

when the joke doesn't age well but i keep succin

what are those may have a short shelf life (or not!) but it got a big reaction both times i saw it and it gets Shuri's character across about as efficiently as i can imagine.

Black Panther was a fine movie but its politics were a bit iffy. wouldve been way better if at the end the Black Panther turned to the camera & said "i am communist now" & then specified hes the exact kind of communist i am

— TORMABLAIEFDHZSJKLNBDSFEJKL PICKASDFJKLFDSNMKOFDSJ (@Tormny_Pickeals) February 19, 2018

(I haven't seen the movie. I don't watch superhero movies anymore. The last one I saw was Captain America: Winter Soldier.)

lol

haha

i can't imagine a less fun crowd to follow than lefty film twitter

For years now I've envied the people who get to do production and costume design for epic films of this sort. This movie just set some pretty high standards in those departments.

there was a piece on The Cut arguing that this should be nominated for oscars in costume design and makeup & hairstyling

wau what an achievement

Holy hell: #BlackPanther with the 5th biggest opening of all time pic.twitter.com/UjIBFJmCdt

— Chris Scott (@iamchrisscott) February 19, 2018

lol

#s 3 and 4 are giving me brain palpitations.

"WHAT ARE THOSE" absolutely killed in my theater.

the costume design was so beautiful i can’t contain my love for the textures & fabrics & cuts & aaaaah

this interview with Ruth E Carter is great
https://www.theringer.com/movies/2018/2/15/17012262/black-panther-costume-design-ruth-e-carter-interview-ryan-coogler-michael-b-jordan

Okoye's gown during the car chase
Shuri recording T'Challa kicking the armor for science reasons
Shuri and T'Challa's handshake
"... I'm going to feed you to my kids... lol jks we're vegtarians"

Lots of great performances, I've been thinking a lot about Winston Duke as M'Baku, the way he subverted expectations with that line in particular.

the "we're vegetarians" line.

i can't imagine a less fun crowd to follow than lefty film twitter

I can; there must be Marvel Twitter.

"What shall I choose as my online handle, that communicates my status as the arbiter of what is fun? Perhaps... 'Dr Morbius.' Yes, that's it."

j/k MCU twitter is probably tied with the rest of twitter and arbitrating fun is everybody's shared responsibility

i can't imagine a less fun crowd to follow than lefty film twitter

I can; there must be Marvel Twitter.

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, February 19, 2018 7:34 PM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tbh, i could've expanded my statement to just say "film twitter" in general

except Matt Zoller Seitz, that guy's cool

srsly, everyone's entitled to their own fun. I freely admit I haven't enjoyed any (contemporary) pop culture that's trying to be "fun" in years if not decades.

except Matt Zoller Seitz, that guy's cool

Nah, he's become a Peter Travers clone; the fucker likes everything, especially megabudget multiplex crap.

good enough at twitter, though

The way T'challa glides into the throne room, vs the way Killmonger struts in full of impertinent American swag.
Their fight in free fall.
M'baku vs Killmonger: the former gets set up as the antagonist, but compared to Erik's accession, we appreciate how much he operates within Wakandan hierarchical institutions: he throws his challenge down at the traditional moment, he passes up the chance to imbibe the heart shaped herb because the rightful ruler is still alive, and of course provides military assistance (albeit melodramatically) to defend his sovereign, despite saying that since he saved T'challa's life and thereby no longer being in his debt.

tbh, i could've expanded my statement to just say "film twitter" in general

― T'Chadwick (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 00:49 (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I still think there's some fat there look again

Their fight in free fall.

This was actually my least favourite bit, it looked 100% lousy CGI up until they actually hit the train.

Chris Scott is having some fun with you, it's Force Awakens / The Last Jedi / Jurassic World / Avengers / Black Panther. I keep forgetting that Jurassic World is that huge, the same way I keep forgetting that Tim Burton's first Alice movie grossed a billion dollars.

This has to be the only time I’ve known exactly what the credits scenes would be, not because I’d heard in advance what they were but because it was well telegraphed exactly what would have to happen, and they both really worked with the film

I'm not sure what the telegraphing of the final one was, other than possibly Shuri asking if T'Challa has brought her 'another broken white boy'?

Their fight in general was a CGI-heavy muddle. I couldn't even tell what T'Challa did to win. The aftermath was great though

A flashy move which ended with him stabbing Erik where the trainline dampeners had temporarily disabled the vibranium, I think.

Tim Burton's first Alice movie grossed a billion dollars

this is the worst movie i've actually in the cinema in service of research for a published piece i'm pleased with (abt the history of the cinematic treatment of alice)

(upside: will self was sat miserably in front of me next to a kid -- i assume his -- with a face painted like an animal: they kid may well have loved the film it but will did NOT lol)