the alt-right

zizek is an entertainer and troll as much as a thinker so it makes sense for his brand

whatever you think of his ideas, he needs to be engaged because of the audience he's garnering: very impressionable and seemingly more open-minded to criticism than fans of other explicitly alt right figures. Zizek is the perfect person to do it precisely for the reasons you stated

if they debate and zizek hands his ass to him, it will do nothing to dissuade or deter peterson's fans who will maintain that he crushed zizek with logic

flappy bird otm.

this is gonna be awesome but anyone who thinks zizek is going to debunk jp or whatever doesn't understand zizek

if they debate and zizek hands his ass to him, it will do nothing to dissuade or deter peterson's fans who will maintain that he crushed zizek with logic

― khat person (jim in vancouver), Monday, February 19, 2018 2:43 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

some, maybe. but this is fatalistic and again, dangerously dismissive. he needs to be interrogated, even if it starts with Zizek. certainly an improvement over some hapless cable tv host or sam fuckin harris

nah, flappy, you're wrong on this. Peterson is the intellectual equivalent of a toddler throwing spaghetti at the wall, or a Rorschach test for bigoted assholes. He introduces so much bullshit so quickly and his audiences are so gullible and so filled with unearned intellectual confidence that any critique is gonna be useless.

Peterson looked like an idiot in that vice interview, but do you see fans of his saying, "Oh, man, the emperor has no clothes after all. What was I thinking?"?

like I'd love to see Peterson get flustered because Zizek asks him questions on subjects he always suggests he has expertise in, like "Can you name two self-avowed postmodernists and give a brief summary of what they believe?" or something about Marxist bugbears like secular stagnation and financialization, but his audience doesn't admire Peterson for his erudition or his intellectual integrity, and they're gonna enthusiastically slurp up whatever dodge he offers them.

again zizek is not going to debunk him. if anything i think zizek may be able to draw interesting ideas out of him or at least locate grounds for debate that are productive. i very seriously doubt he's going in to do a fisking of JP and i expect at least a few occasions where they are able to "find common ground." it'll be entertaining af but be prepared don't be disappointed.

ps my roommate has been mainlining this dude's lectures and proselytizing about him and I hate him so much

ugh my condolences

I'm sorry (not sorry) but any of you who think a "debate" between two self-fellating white men on the moot topic of white male supremacy is worthwhile, necessary, or might "draw some interesting ideas out," or all of the above, are on some very, very heavy and bad drugs that are affecting your ability to think your way out of a paper bag that's had the bottom cut out. You also seem grossly ignorant of what period of history we're living in. If you want to appreciate it like some kind of noize actionist art show, fine, but please please please don't act like either of these dudes has any merit other than challopsing at saddos with the full force of their solitaire scrabble scores.

Trying to think of something less relevant to human existence that's planned for eight months from now and can't come up with one.

if you don't see how zizek debating jp will be entertaining you should just pull your head out of your ass and stop worrying about being the wokest white guy in the room

Agree with Tombot 1000%. Both these men should be fired naked out of a space shuttle hatch; the video of them exploding into frozen meat-shards would be infinitely more illuminating than anything either of them has ever thought, said, or written.

I find it entertaining to say "fuck you, clown" to people who pay so little attention to the world that they think this is going to be worth anyone's time

sure but

challopsing at saddos

new board description

el tomboto otm

"You also seem grossly ignorant of what period of history we're living in." sorry but this is dumb af

If you want to appreciate it like some kind of noize actionist art show, fine

saddo as an insult all the time lately, why. seems a little kick-someone-while-they're-down-y. fuck the happyos imo.

lol at the thread that got bumped while i was typing that

http://thephilosophicalsalon.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/big_cd4fdd4b37-120x150.jpg

some, maybe. but this is fatalistic and again, dangerously dismissive. he needs to be interrogated, even if it starts with Zizek. certainly an improvement over some hapless cable tv host or sam fuckin harris

― flappy bird, lundi 19 février 2018 14:50 (fifty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Dunno if it crossed the border but he has been endlessly interrogated here in Canada. However, the fans of The Great Jordan Alpha will keep claiming he has Logic™ and Science™ on his side so no one will be effectively convinced, and the fact that he managed to deftly monetize so much of these debates or these columns is exactly how his mini-empire is growing. A video can be edited on so many ways and we all know which parts the fans will keep for posterity, which parts they will ignore (who now even branded themselves as lobsters for some reason), and all of that matters little, because he is not an intellectual but a preacher. And the choir has him as some father figure, a bunch of lost boys who felt betrayed by women by whatever method and who are generally aimless (a friend of mine is exactly of this kind and finds him very interesting/likes him). What I'm trying to say, and parroting what El Tomboto explained, is that there is absolutely nothing to gain from a debate with this guy, and if it is in your heart to engage with the problem Peterson represents, engage with the individuals that love him so much instead of the Grand Master zhimself.

Peterson should just debate a scarecrow since he's usually only arguing strawmen anyway

w/r/t lobsters: https://theconversation.com/psychologist-jordan-peterson-says-lobsters-help-to-explain-why-human-hierarchies-exist-do-they-90489

interrogations and arguments change people's minds almost as infrequently as condemnation

so the only way to depopularise jordy p is to...

wait till they realize the snake oil has changed nothing in their lives.

@jordanbpeterson I have admired your work for years, sir, and am thrilled at your sudden success. You changed my life years ago and I want to say thank you. Thank you.

— Norm Macdonald (@normmacdonald) February 15, 2018

What's the danger of ignoring how other ppl listen to Jordan peterson

might miss the odd lazy zing idk

Fuck ya

You know just where to aim

xp the same way you change your thinking about anything, by getting more expansive, either by going deeper in & teasing it out or, if you have ppl's attention, by elucidating a more convincing view attractively

otm

so the only way to depopularise jordy p is to...

― imago

convince the world that he was the guy who did "dur dur d'etre bebe"

News nobody everybody saw coming: Milo dropping lawsuit against former publisher

aww but he was doing such a good job of defending himself

lol I didn't even know his garbage book came out

And all it cost him was $$$s and the chance for us all to learn that even the clueless editors at S&S who commissioned the book thought he was a risible, terrible, moronic writer.

man, FUCK norm macdonald

milol

Milo is selling supplements on Infowars. This is not a drill. pic.twitter.com/zieQXOqtRi

— Ross McCafferty (@RossMcCaff) February 21, 2018

Milo's entire purpose to the right wing condensed into a 16 sec clip pic.twitter.com/qWvvdpxgbm

— PeterNorway (@classiclib3ral) February 22, 2018

talking about this today in my new job which i started last week

MIlo worked here for a couple of months (2013ish need to check). CEO went on holiday with him in Nassau

NOBODY is talking about how the online depression community has been infiltrated by alt-right recruiters deliberately preying on the vulnerable.

There NEED to be public warnings about this. 'Online pals' have attempted to groom me multiple times when at my absolute lowest.

— Mister Happy Die Happy (@MrHappyDieHappy) February 23, 2018

long thread in there

Is there a way to try to get this young man help? At the end of the thread he keeps saying he is going to kill himself.

at least arm him and get him to take out a few alt right recruiters before he goes

not funny imo

I’m guessing the popularity of the thread will lead ppl to reach out to him. still, it’s jarring in our online age to have ppl make red flag statements like that and the vast majority of the responses breeze past them