the alt-right

If you want to appreciate it like some kind of noize actionist art show, fine

saddo as an insult all the time lately, why. seems a little kick-someone-while-they're-down-y. fuck the happyos imo.

lol at the thread that got bumped while i was typing that

http://thephilosophicalsalon.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/big_cd4fdd4b37-120x150.jpg

some, maybe. but this is fatalistic and again, dangerously dismissive. he needs to be interrogated, even if it starts with Zizek. certainly an improvement over some hapless cable tv host or sam fuckin harris

― flappy bird, lundi 19 février 2018 14:50 (fifty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Dunno if it crossed the border but he has been endlessly interrogated here in Canada. However, the fans of The Great Jordan Alpha will keep claiming he has Logic™ and Science™ on his side so no one will be effectively convinced, and the fact that he managed to deftly monetize so much of these debates or these columns is exactly how his mini-empire is growing. A video can be edited on so many ways and we all know which parts the fans will keep for posterity, which parts they will ignore (who now even branded themselves as lobsters for some reason), and all of that matters little, because he is not an intellectual but a preacher. And the choir has him as some father figure, a bunch of lost boys who felt betrayed by women by whatever method and who are generally aimless (a friend of mine is exactly of this kind and finds him very interesting/likes him). What I'm trying to say, and parroting what El Tomboto explained, is that there is absolutely nothing to gain from a debate with this guy, and if it is in your heart to engage with the problem Peterson represents, engage with the individuals that love him so much instead of the Grand Master zhimself.

Peterson should just debate a scarecrow since he's usually only arguing strawmen anyway

w/r/t lobsters: https://theconversation.com/psychologist-jordan-peterson-says-lobsters-help-to-explain-why-human-hierarchies-exist-do-they-90489

interrogations and arguments change people's minds almost as infrequently as condemnation

so the only way to depopularise jordy p is to...

wait till they realize the snake oil has changed nothing in their lives.

@jordanbpeterson I have admired your work for years, sir, and am thrilled at your sudden success. You changed my life years ago and I want to say thank you. Thank you.

— Norm Macdonald (@normmacdonald) February 15, 2018

What's the danger of ignoring how other ppl listen to Jordan peterson

might miss the odd lazy zing idk

Fuck ya

You know just where to aim

xp the same way you change your thinking about anything, by getting more expansive, either by going deeper in & teasing it out or, if you have ppl's attention, by elucidating a more convincing view attractively

otm

so the only way to depopularise jordy p is to...

― imago

convince the world that he was the guy who did "dur dur d'etre bebe"

News nobody everybody saw coming: Milo dropping lawsuit against former publisher

aww but he was doing such a good job of defending himself

lol I didn't even know his garbage book came out

And all it cost him was $$$s and the chance for us all to learn that even the clueless editors at S&S who commissioned the book thought he was a risible, terrible, moronic writer.

man, FUCK norm macdonald

milol

Milo is selling supplements on Infowars. This is not a drill. pic.twitter.com/zieQXOqtRi

— Ross McCafferty (@RossMcCaff) February 21, 2018

Milo's entire purpose to the right wing condensed into a 16 sec clip pic.twitter.com/qWvvdpxgbm

— PeterNorway (@classiclib3ral) February 22, 2018

talking about this today in my new job which i started last week

MIlo worked here for a couple of months (2013ish need to check). CEO went on holiday with him in Nassau

NOBODY is talking about how the online depression community has been infiltrated by alt-right recruiters deliberately preying on the vulnerable.

There NEED to be public warnings about this. 'Online pals' have attempted to groom me multiple times when at my absolute lowest.

— Mister Happy Die Happy (@MrHappyDieHappy) February 23, 2018

long thread in there

Is there a way to try to get this young man help? At the end of the thread he keeps saying he is going to kill himself.

at least arm him and get him to take out a few alt right recruiters before he goes

not funny imo

I’m guessing the popularity of the thread will lead ppl to reach out to him. still, it’s jarring in our online age to have ppl make red flag statements like that and the vast majority of the responses breeze past them

twitter is blocked on my computer - what's the nature of this infiltration? message boards? i know alt right people have infiltrated all sorts of communities, typically older communities with lax moderation - i think they've completely taken over, for instance, gamefaqs. i don't know what the online depression community is like, because i've never wanted to actively seek the company of other depressed people (it just works out like that in practice)

2018 is crazy

a couple commenters mention that it's similar to scientology; another parallel that's not mentioned is the general disdain for therapists and psychologists among this crowd, to the point of discouraging people from seeing them ("go see a therapist" may be a cliche in certain communities and advice sites, but it's way better a cliche than the opposite)

might align with masculine attitudes toward talk therapy, that it's a waste of time & money, something that only women do, being unable to open up to someone.

that's definitely a big part of it - "you're not the problem, snowflake society is the problem, so you don't need to be cured you need to get angry"

it's pretty obvious why a politics based on bigotry and blame wouldn't be too interested in self-analysis

this bullshit bias against talk therapy extends outside rightwing worlds, it's really depressing. only logical argument against it is prohibitive cost for some

oh sure they're not the only naysayers and there's all kinds of nuanced arguments to be had about the value of therapy and its structure as in industry but it's clear why the redpill crowd are agin it

yeah there's sometimes a kernel of that (a lot of people in these communities self identify as "NEETs") but it isn't the entire story or even the biggest factor

true

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/chuck-johnson-survivor-audition-tape_us_5a952956e4b02cb368c568be

The clash of titans. The great debate of our age.
Who is the real enemy - postmodern neo-marxists, or neo-marxist postmodernists? pic.twitter.com/OTo6SoKIRx

— Rocko's Modern Basilisk 🏴 (@InnerPartisan) February 26, 2018

gotcha! the real enemy is white men

Oh my god. The Orpheum?

"philosophy", I may never stop vomiting

barf

re: "postmodern neo-marxists", I consider this the final word on that

hi i'm a postmodern marxist. that means i believe in the deconstruction of the master narrative and the proliferation of perspectives, but also, somehow, simultaneously, believe only in marxism.

— your friend john (@johnsemley3000) January 25, 2018

Your friend John is otm. And anyone who has a problem with that position should read Sloterdijks Critique of Cynical Reason.

whinging about postmodernism is like whinging about oxygen tbh