w/r/t lobsters: https://theconversation.com/psychologist-jordan-peterson-says-lobsters-help-to-explain-why-human-hierarchies-exist-do-they-90489
― rob, Monday, 19 February 2018 21:13 (six years ago) link
interrogations and arguments change people's minds almost as infrequently as condemnation
― ogmor, Monday, 19 February 2018 22:31 (six years ago) link
so the only way to depopularise jordy p is to...
― imago, Monday, 19 February 2018 22:34 (six years ago) link
wait till they realize the snake oil has changed nothing in their lives.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 19 February 2018 22:48 (six years ago) link
@jordanbpeterson I have admired your work for years, sir, and am thrilled at your sudden success. You changed my life years ago and I want to say thank you. Thank you.— Norm Macdonald (@normmacdonald) February 15, 2018
― Clay, Monday, 19 February 2018 22:48 (six years ago) link
What's the danger of ignoring how other ppl listen to Jordan peterson
― DUMPKINS! (darraghmac), Monday, 19 February 2018 22:55 (six years ago) link
might miss the odd lazy zing idk
― Big Ched aka The Cheesedriver (Noodle Vague), Monday, 19 February 2018 22:58 (six years ago) link
Fuck ya
You know just where to aim
― DUMPKINS! (darraghmac), Monday, 19 February 2018 22:59 (six years ago) link
xp the same way you change your thinking about anything, by getting more expansive, either by going deeper in & teasing it out or, if you have ppl's attention, by elucidating a more convincing view attractively
― ogmor, Monday, 19 February 2018 23:20 (six years ago) link
otm
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 06:25 (six years ago) link
― imago
convince the world that he was the guy who did "dur dur d'etre bebe"
― ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 07:46 (six years ago) link
News nobody everybody saw coming: Milo dropping lawsuit against former publisher
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 15:33 (six years ago) link
aww but he was doing such a good job of defending himself
― NEW CHIMP THREAT (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 15:36 (six years ago) link
lol I didn't even know his garbage book came out
― omar little, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 15:36 (six years ago) link
And all it cost him was $$$s and the chance for us all to learn that even the clueless editors at S&S who commissioned the book thought he was a risible, terrible, moronic writer.
― too notch (stevie), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 15:40 (six years ago) link
man, FUCK norm macdonald
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 20 February 2018 15:55 (six years ago) link
milol
― maura, Tuesday, 20 February 2018 16:33 (six years ago) link
Milo is selling supplements on Infowars. This is not a drill. pic.twitter.com/zieQXOqtRi— Ross McCafferty (@RossMcCaff) February 21, 2018
― i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 21 February 2018 16:52 (six years ago) link
Milo's entire purpose to the right wing condensed into a 16 sec clip pic.twitter.com/qWvvdpxgbm— PeterNorway (@classiclib3ral) February 22, 2018
― too notch (stevie), Thursday, 22 February 2018 10:21 (six years ago) link
talking about this today in my new job which i started last week
MIlo worked here for a couple of months (2013ish need to check). CEO went on holiday with him in Nassau
― anvil, Thursday, 22 February 2018 22:02 (six years ago) link
NOBODY is talking about how the online depression community has been infiltrated by alt-right recruiters deliberately preying on the vulnerable. There NEED to be public warnings about this. 'Online pals' have attempted to groom me multiple times when at my absolute lowest.— Mister Happy Die Happy (@MrHappyDieHappy) February 23, 2018
― Milton Parker, Monday, 26 February 2018 09:47 (six years ago) link
long thread in there
― Milton Parker, Monday, 26 February 2018 09:48 (six years ago) link
Is there a way to try to get this young man help? At the end of the thread he keeps saying he is going to kill himself.
― treeship 2, Monday, 26 February 2018 12:32 (six years ago) link
at least arm him and get him to take out a few alt right recruiters before he goes
― smashong pumpgong (Noodle Vague), Monday, 26 February 2018 12:36 (six years ago) link
not funny imo
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 26 February 2018 13:17 (six years ago) link
I’m guessing the popularity of the thread will lead ppl to reach out to him. still, it’s jarring in our online age to have ppl make red flag statements like that and the vast majority of the responses breeze past them
― treeship 2, Monday, 26 February 2018 14:43 (six years ago) link
twitter is blocked on my computer - what's the nature of this infiltration? message boards? i know alt right people have infiltrated all sorts of communities, typically older communities with lax moderation - i think they've completely taken over, for instance, gamefaqs. i don't know what the online depression community is like, because i've never wanted to actively seek the company of other depressed people (it just works out like that in practice)
― ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Monday, 26 February 2018 15:06 (six years ago) link
2018 is crazy
― flappy bird, Monday, 26 February 2018 17:31 (six years ago) link
a couple commenters mention that it's similar to scientology; another parallel that's not mentioned is the general disdain for therapists and psychologists among this crowd, to the point of discouraging people from seeing them ("go see a therapist" may be a cliche in certain communities and advice sites, but it's way better a cliche than the opposite)
― algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Monday, 26 February 2018 18:36 (six years ago) link
might align with masculine attitudes toward talk therapy, that it's a waste of time & money, something that only women do, being unable to open up to someone.
― flappy bird, Monday, 26 February 2018 18:46 (six years ago) link
that's definitely a big part of it - "you're not the problem, snowflake society is the problem, so you don't need to be cured you need to get angry"
― smashong pumpgong (Noodle Vague), Monday, 26 February 2018 18:53 (six years ago) link
it's pretty obvious why a politics based on bigotry and blame wouldn't be too interested in self-analysis
― smashong pumpgong (Noodle Vague), Monday, 26 February 2018 18:55 (six years ago) link
this bullshit bias against talk therapy extends outside rightwing worlds, it's really depressing. only logical argument against it is prohibitive cost for some
― flappy bird, Monday, 26 February 2018 18:56 (six years ago) link
oh sure they're not the only naysayers and there's all kinds of nuanced arguments to be had about the value of therapy and its structure as in industry but it's clear why the redpill crowd are agin it
― smashong pumpgong (Noodle Vague), Monday, 26 February 2018 18:59 (six years ago) link
yeah there's sometimes a kernel of that (a lot of people in these communities self identify as "NEETs") but it isn't the entire story or even the biggest factor
― algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Monday, 26 February 2018 18:59 (six years ago) link
true
― flappy bird, Monday, 26 February 2018 19:01 (six years ago) link
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/chuck-johnson-survivor-audition-tape_us_5a952956e4b02cb368c568be
― maura, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 21:48 (six years ago) link
The clash of titans. The great debate of our age.Who is the real enemy - postmodern neo-marxists, or neo-marxist postmodernists? pic.twitter.com/OTo6SoKIRx— Rocko's Modern Basilisk 🏴 (@InnerPartisan) February 26, 2018
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 22:09 (six years ago) link
gotcha! the real enemy is white men
― maura, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 22:10 (six years ago) link
Oh my god. The Orpheum?
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 22:22 (six years ago) link
"philosophy", I may never stop vomiting
― Dan I., Wednesday, 28 February 2018 02:48 (six years ago) link
barf
re: "postmodern neo-marxists", I consider this the final word on that
hi i'm a postmodern marxist. that means i believe in the deconstruction of the master narrative and the proliferation of perspectives, but also, somehow, simultaneously, believe only in marxism.— your friend john (@johnsemley3000) January 25, 2018
― Simon H., Wednesday, 28 February 2018 02:55 (six years ago) link
Your friend John is otm. And anyone who has a problem with that position should read Sloterdijks Critique of Cynical Reason.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 28 February 2018 10:12 (six years ago) link
whinging about postmodernism is like whinging about oxygen tbh
― https://cdn1.umg3.net/95/files/2018/01/BANNER.jpg (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 28 February 2018 10:22 (six years ago) link
Again, otm. Fuck the metamodernists, though...
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 28 February 2018 10:24 (six years ago) link
cute story from the Bay Area
Ten times in the last six month, Revolution Books, the far left bookstore in the Telegraph Channing Mall, has found itself under attack from far-right activists.
The latest skirmish was Sat. March 4, the one-year anniversary of the pro-Trump rally in Martin Luther King Jr. Park that saw people on the right and Antifa and BAMN activists duking it out for control. A group of people who called themselves “Berkeley Warriors” on a live Facebook feed came from Sacramento and stormed the store.
“Fucking Commie scum,” one demonstrator, Rob Cantrall, said on a video taken by bookstore staff while Reiko Redmonde, a volunteer manager at the store, tried to prevent him and others from entering. “You are commie scum. We are going to burn down your bookstore. You know that, right?”
https://www.berkeleyside.com/2018/03/07/right-wing-activists-target-berkeleys-revolution-books
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 March 2018 17:13 (six years ago) link
This headline from the LA Review of Books is so great I'm almost afraid to read the piece for fear of almost certainly being let down.
A Messiah-cum-Surrogate-Dad for Gormless Dimwits: On Jordan B. Peterson’s “12 Rules for Life”
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 9 March 2018 02:52 (six years ago) link
Real life feels like The Screwfly Solution. Mass delusion and violent hysteria
― Dan I., Friday, 9 March 2018 04:01 (six years ago) link
“The intellectual heirs to the obnoxious right-wing shock-jocks of yesteryear” is a good line from that LARB piece
― maura, Friday, 9 March 2018 08:31 (six years ago) link
How are teenage boys even hearing about Jordan Peterson in the first place? Does he show up as a suggestion in a youtube Overwatch playlist or something? Twitch advertising? It's terrifying that young men are apparently such fertile ground for that kind of shit right now.
― Dan I., Monday, 12 March 2018 15:36 (six years ago) link