Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

xp: oh yeah. There've been a couple of "some other kid's parent at the park" things.

gotta say i love that kid's tweet above

the thing about kids who are bullied of course is that generally they're pissed at their tormentors and the tormentors friends, but as w/all these shooters they will kill everyone who comes across their path. they shoot babies and toddlers point blank, if they're unfortunate enough to be in the same place at the same time. that's where i just don't understand it at all. i just don't get it. they want to kill everyone. it goes beyond fantasizing about revenge and into complete blankness and just dropping every single living thing.

"How many guns did he have?" Blackstone asked.

"I'm not sure. Five or six," James said.

It's a mental illness problem, not a (um, how many did he have, I can't quite recall) gun problem.

well we don't know who's crazy or not, let's just give everyone guns and watch them closely and figure it out later

I love this country!

Parents are expressing concern after a church announced it will hold a ceremony next week, and worshipers are encouraged to bring assault weapons with them, and the ceremony will be just down the road from an elementary school.

The ceremony in Wayne County was planned before the mass shooting at a high school in Florida last week.

Church leaders still plan to go ahead with the blessing ceremony, which has some parents of elementary school students on edge.

christ, that's like something Garth Ennis would have come up with that I would have rolled my eyes at

the "arm everyone" bullshit is infuriating. the thing is, you can either be someone who lives their life regularly or be constantly watching everything around you for someone who's about the unzip their duffel bag and pull out an AR-15. the thing is, the latter will never occur except in the cases of insane paranoid types. if you're someone who's committing a mass shooting, that's your sole goal. you don't have other goals because you're probably going to shoot everyone and then yourself. meanwhile everyone else around you--while you're preparing for your final act of psychotic evil moron stupidity and assessing every living thing as a target--is just living their life and even if they have a gun they're unprepared because they're not constantly looking around and everyone and assessing everyone as a threat.

reminds me of

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(United_States)

Brass Eye, 1997.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAQy8v0d_qo

mass shooters always have the upper hand because they're ready to do it and they're prepared and they intentionally go after soft targets because they're psychotic cowards who want to kill as many as possible without any danger to themselves. look at this piece of shit trying to blend in and run away at the end, too.

On the one hand, we'll probably reach a point in like a decade when a majority of voters have been adversely affected by gun violence. On the other, a non-negligible percentage will probably be utter choads of the 'I defend my son's right to have murderered all of his siblings and my wife and I wouldn't do anything differently' variety.

the last scream of at least one mass shooting victim will be to yell at the killer, "It's your right to have that!"

"I disapprove of whom you shoot, but I will defend to my death your right to shoot me"

Seriously, if we can get behind Larry Flynt we should be just as supportive of a total rando shooting us in the face.

I mean, I exaggerate because the notion is fucking ridiculous, but I think there are a lot of people who honestly embrace some variation of that fucking ridiculous notion.

something something about the privilege of being american comes with risks that are worth it

Like I keep saying, death cult

I keep going back to the gun rights advocate/lawyer (probably in that order) I heard on the radio who insisted that because the shooter is going to jail he "didn't get away with it." And the interviewer, just shocked, responding that his goal was to walk into that school and kill as many people as he could, which means that, yes, he *did* get away with it.

I for one love the "arm the teachers" movement. That's what I want to see. Police called to the scene...teachers firing at students, students firing at the janitor, janitor trying to take out the lunchlady....let freedom reign

I like the kids refusing to go back to school in protest. If that really caught on it could get something done.

they're talking about walk outs on 3/14 and 4/20

obviously i can't walk out, but i'm down to do a teach-in

xxpost My elementary school principal was fired when it was discovered he kept a gun in his desk. These days he'd be an American hero.

I’d do a teach-in too. Are there resources / suggested content?

and 4/20

this is like the left/liberal versh of the war on christmas.

??? it's because of Columbine

as a guy who actually lived 3 miles from columbine when it HAPPENED, that is not the primary meaning to 4/20 to me but ok.

I grant that the optics may not be the best, but I think the symbolism has value

one of the twitter coordinating this has already been asked about the 4/20 thing and replied something like "we are aware of the significance of this date but this is the goddamn day it's happening" albeit more politely

The walk-outs/lie downs are just for 17 minutes, or at least are supposed to. I'm talking about a few of the FL kids who say they're not going back to school, full stop, until there are new laws.

nah u right i hear that, the lesson is way bigger than optics. xp

Headline in my local paper: Growing support for national student walkouts. Trust me, you don't want to read the comments from right wing loons who are sure it's just an excuse to skip school. The vitriol is ridiculous, more so since for as little credit as they give these kids, they'd easily give them an AR-15.

not to mention the internet sewers trafficking in false flag narratives as they seem to do with ever increasing frequency

But it did/has. There are no more cigarette machines and the age to buy (and taxes) keeps creeping up.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, February 20, 2018 12:55 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

cigarette machines aren't "gone", just there are less of them because they're banned in establishments where people younger than 18 are allowed in. the bar near me in Sanford still has one cos you have to be 18 or older to enter.

Likewise, the federal minimum age to purchase tobacco is still 18 and though many indeed have increased the age, many states (like mine) have kept the tobacco purchase age at 18. smoking is declining nationwide but 258 billion cigarettes were still sold in the US in 2016. and it's hard to tell how much of the decline is the rising costs/regulations or the rise of popularity of vaping.

Retweeted TOᑭ ᖇOᑭE TᖇAViS (@TopRopeTravis):

#BREAKING: The entire student body of West Boca High School just walked out and are heading towards Stoneman Douglas High School. Other schools in the area are doing the same.

ace, keep it up kids

fuckin' a

BREAKING: President Trump says he’s directed AG Sessions to clarify if bump stocks are illegal and to propose regulations to “ban all devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns.” pic.twitter.com/cnZ2mc08TF

— NBC News (@NBCNews) February 20, 2018

that's sweet, go kids (be safe) xp

Right on

awesome

But it did/has. There are no more cigarette machines and the age to buy (and taxes) keeps creeping up.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, February 20, 2018 12:55 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

cigarette machines aren't "gone", just there are less of them because they're banned in establishments where people younger than 18 are allowed in. the bar near me in Sanford still has one cos you have to be 18 or older to enter.

Likewise, the federal minimum age to purchase tobacco is still 18 and though many indeed have increased the age, many states (like mine) have kept the tobacco purchase age at 18. smoking is declining nationwide but 258 billion cigarettes were still sold in the US in 2016. and it's hard to tell how much of the decline is the rising costs/regulations or the rise of popularity of vaping.

― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, February 20, 2018 3:00 PM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i have no seen a cigarette machine in 10 years at least

smoking was in decline WAY before vaping c'mon, i guess i don't know what argument you are trying to make so probably the ol' extremely useful "devil's advocate" role

oh man, it's been so long since I've seen a cigarette machine

come to think of it I still call the car charger the "cigarette lighter" even though it's been at least a decade since I've seen anyone light a cigarette with one

saw one in a bar three weeks ago.

THey're around, just uncommon.

In Florida you can still buy cigs at bars if the bar has a patio.

Alfred and Neanderthal are both from FL. Mystery of the extant cigarette machines solved probably.

could be...I'm from Wisconsin, we have lots of bars and we love to smoke, even if we have to stand in -5 degree weather

(btw, this is primarily the reason why I don't smoke - if you could smoke in bars still, I probably would have picked it up at some point)

this is from 1990 i'm sure they have to be banned at least in minneapolis if not statewide by now (the city was gonna ban menthol cigs a while back don't know if that went through)

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/04/05/us/minnesota-moves-to-curb-cigarette-machines.html

bars in Oregon have cig machines

saw somewhere that ~4 million current high school students will be eligible to vote in 2020

how do you pay?? amex?

(cig machines i mean)