Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

well, that's kind of the point. kids are going to hear messages about the 2nd amendment protecting the individual's right to own a firearm. we can teach them that is a modern interpretation that is different from its original intent. this is not to teach them that we ought to revert to the original interpretation, but that interpretations change with years of political organization and pressure. the message from the article is that the NRA, over the course of several decades, used activism to change how the courts see the 2nd amendment. we can do the same, only yknow in a direction that is not hellbent on social destruction.

xp to aimless

do you mean me?

oh pfft yeah

NRA goon got pwned on ABC Radio National. He clearly didn't expect to come up against an interview with an ability to refute his 'facts' on the fly.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/gun-bans-dont-work-says-nra-member/9469126

gosh, it would be nice if just for once Trump's all-consuming need to be praised by the teevee men led him to actually doing something good, re: bump stocks. of course I'm highly dubious this or any other measure will ever actually see the light of day as policy, especially since it was almost taken for granted that something would happen with bump stocks after Vegas and then nothing did.

even if it did, it seems like the most token gesture of "gun control" imaginable. granted, if they were passing bills every week to ban stuff like bump stocks it would be great - the gun problem is really complicated and it would help to chip away at it from all sorts of angles. but they won't. even if they manage to pass something on bump stocks (probably after democrats compromise by raising the age of social security benefits to 85 or something), that'll be the only thing. it means nothing.

this is so sad

WATCH: At Southwestern High School in Indiana, the classroom doors are bullet-resistant, cameras are everywhere, and the Sheriff’s department -- only 10 miles away -- can track an intruder in real-time pic.twitter.com/mOchmdS7ol

— NBC Nightly News with Lester Holt (@NBCNightlyNews) February 21, 2018

a teacher explains that a red piece of tape on the classroom floor delineates the zone where students can hide from a gunman without being seeing from the door, while the students demonstrate by huddling up in a corner with books covering their faces. the reporter breathlessly adds that this is a low-cost measure that could be implemented in all school immediately

Banning bump stocks seems like the single most purely symbolic measure he can do, without doing even one iota about the problem. He can infinitely point back and say he didn't horse around, he actually did something! It changes nothing, it means nothing.

US gun policy is like having firefighting banned. House after house burns down and kills people because it's illegal to fight fire. After much outrage, the president has now shown his bravery and decisiveness by allowing every street one (1) bottle of water to fight fire. What a gesture, it's yuge, I have the best measures etc etc

Huddle and cover. Has a familiar ring.

Ok that analogy sucks balls. But so do guns, y'know, those things that will kill people without bump stocks just as well. xp

Trump and Congress will pass legislation banning bump stocks as soon as their friends in the NRA let them know that a new and more efficient technology has made bump stocks obsolete.

That video is absolutely nuts. Only thing missing is an AK-47 over the teachers shoulder.

xp Old Lunch otm

Great job on replicating the logistics and mechanics of the surveillance state and the prison in public schools, America

that video is dystopian

speaking of congress, i realize it's an uphill battle but i'd love to see every single democract get behind the reinstatement of the ban on assault rifles that feinstein periodically introduces in the wake of new massacres. it currently has 25 co-sponsors. the last time (i believe) it was introduced in 2013, a month after sandy hook, it was voted down 60-40. even if it's futile, they need to at least voters know what they stand for so that when we all go to the polls there's an understanding that a vote for a democrat is a vote for a ban on assault rifles.

xpost it's dystopian as fuck, i don't know how that segment was produced in the way that it was, with the reporter responding to what was happening in that way, with that presentation. so fucked up.

If you make public schools dangerous/terrible enough, people will only send their kids to non-public schools, or none at all which is...OH, HEY

that's my brother's conspiracy theory

The news calling it "the safest school" is rather ironic, too.

Come on with these absurd conspiracy theories, guys. It's not like we have a Secretary of Education whose career has been devoted to ending the scourge of public schools.

holy shit @ the dude reporting while being blasted by smoke with high-pitched alarms going off in the distance, this is like a UCB sketch

but you have a boner for shitting on me lately so idk

― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, February 20, 2018 5:01 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i did not realize it was coming off this way, i'm sorry and it's nothing personal. will ease off in future.

did the FL shooter even use a bump stock? Or was this shooting just the helpful reminder trump/congress needed to remember that they were supposed to have already banned those after Las Vegas

no bump stock that i know of. banning bump stocks and doing nothing else would maybe the worst outcome here.

even the gun nuts are mocking that idea, pointing out that you can cobble together a makeshift one in a couple minutes if you wanted

Students at Lakewood High School, the suburb directly to the west of Cleveland, walked out today.

http://lakewoodobserver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=24604

21st century kids: getting a text from my middle school daughter just now asking me when the protest is.

xp the high school isn't the suburb, Lakewood is, just to forestall any smart-assery

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/21/donald-trump-solution-to-school-shootings-arm-teachers-with-guns

“It only works when you have people very adept at using firearms, of which you have many,” Trump said during an emotionally searing session that, extraordinarily, was broadcast live on national television. “It would be teachers and coaches.”

With about two weeks left in the legislative session, Republicans led by Mr. Scott have concluded that it would be politically catastrophic if they failed to do something to address the growing outcry. But they appear likely to pursue legislation narrower than what students are demanding, avoiding a ban on assault weapons.

In the Florida House and Senate, lawmakers said they were involved in bipartisan efforts to craft gun-related legislative proposals that could be introduced Friday or earlier.

State Senator Bill Galvano, a Republican, said in an interview that the Senate proposal would likely involve raising the age to purchase semiautomatic rifles to 21 from 18; introducing a three-day waiting period to purchase such guns; banning “bump stocks,” an attachment that enables a semiautomatic rifle to fire faster; and expanding the power of law enforcement to restrict the actions of mentally ill people under Florida’s Baker Act.

"we'd better do the least possible regulatory action, but QUICK"

oh man

r. Corcoran responded that he would not be in favor of banning weapons like the one used in the attack on the students.
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The speaker of the Florida House, Richard Corcoran, told the students that he would unveil a gun reform package later in the week, but said he was not be in favor of banning military-style assault weapons like the one used in the attack at their school.

“I think that if you look, it’s widely used in multiple different hunting scenarios,” he said. “I know people who go out and they’ll do boar hunts and they’ll use them.”

He continued: “You can disagree, but what I tell my kids — and being in elected office, you have to be very, very, very careful how much authority and power you bring to government. The greatest atrocities known to mankind have been committed by governments.”

A pot-bellied, heaving sleazo is worried that GUVMINT is gonna snatch his gun magazines.

if we can't go on our boar hunts lady liberty will die

again I say: bless the teens https://www.buzzfeed.com/remysmidt/heres-what-its-like-at-the-headquarters-of-the-teens

^^^

That's a nice piece.

I hope these kids, when their dreams are dashed by asshole politicians, put their energy toward getting elligible peers to register and vote. I suspect they will.

I hope they run themselves while they're at it

otm

Seriously, whenever I talk to younger millenials with an iota of political awareness, their keen awareness of how fucked the/their future is gives me a strange form of hope. I was clueless at their age. (And still am, hardee har har.)

strangely, seeing this happen is the most enthusiastic and hopeful I've felt in weeks

CNN townhall already going bad for Rubio. A father whose daughter was killed in the shooting gets a standing ovation for calling Rubio "pathetically weak" on guns.

— Will Sommer (@willsommer) February 22, 2018

Anyone who's not seen Emma Gonzales' speech calling out Trump and the political rhetoric about the shooting - it's absolutely worth your seven minutes.

"They say that tougher gun laws do not decrease gun violence. We call BS!" Florida high school shooting survivor Emma Gonzalez calls on President Trump and lawmakers to tighten gun restrictions in impassioned speech at an anti-gun rally in Fort Lauderdale https://t.co/DgnqrrVs9x

— CNN (@CNN) February 17, 2018

Also, a repeat target of "crisis actor" accusations speaks out

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/02/21/conspiracy-theory-wont-end-enough-enough/360521002/

Seriously, whenever I talk to younger millenials with an iota of political awareness, their keen awareness of how fucked the/their future is gives me a strange form of hope. I was clueless at their age. (And still am, hardee har har.)

― Simon H., Wednesday, February 21, 2018 8:15 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i teach high school and it is the best bc the kids are amazing

Huh. Looks like the Hogg kid was invited but declined!

(To the WH)

I can't look at my Democratic Bill Nelson, with his henna hair and bourbon mien.