With an open mind, please read @MZHemingway on how the US media's mindless, shocking acceptance of every claim from "Hamilton68" - a group formed by Bill Kristol, CIA officials & various neocons - has deceived millions w/false stories. It's a scandal https://t.co/Gn6w398cVA— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) February 22, 2018
here's the piece in question if we're interested in more than just gotcha stuff - which on this thread ilx basically isn't
― khat person (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 22 February 2018 17:11 (six years ago) link
best things about the piece: has a link to a video of Adrien Chen appearing on MSNBC and a link to this Masha Gessen article.
― khat person (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 22 February 2018 17:20 (six years ago) link
I was looking for support in the article for the claim that Hamilton 68 has deceived millions , but I didn’t see it.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 22 February 2018 17:40 (six years ago) link
Would have been better to just link the Gessen piece (although there’s some super questionable cherry picking in that) instead of effectively endorsing someone’s argument that Nunes should be taken at face value. Chen was good on Hayes but his pints probably shouldn’t be appropriated for the goal post shifting of others.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 22 February 2018 18:05 (six years ago) link
Reading the piece with an open mind. First line: Last week, Laurence Tribe suggested, without evidence, that a plane crash in Russia was related to fallout from the Russian dossier operation orchestrated and funded by the Hillary Clinton campaign. Um no, we're done here. What the fuck is wrong with this dude?
― Frederik B, Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:02 (six years ago) link
you have fucking evidence for everything, dontcha, Fuckerik?
but lol you do have an open mind (I can feel the draft from here)
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:06 (six years ago) link
What on earth is wrong with you to?
― Frederik B, Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:13 (six years ago) link
here doll
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Russia_dossier#cite_note-WaPo-paidresearch-14
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:17 (six years ago) link
I was gonna say, if that's the controversial part, I thought that was pretty well known?
― Simon H., Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:18 (six years ago) link
I think Fred took issue with the linkage to a plane crash in Russia without evidence
― Dat Login was the dname u doofus (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:22 (six years ago) link
IIRC Tribe tweeted about the crash that supposedly killed a political enemy, who it turned out wasn't on the plane? (I can't recall if he explicitly suggested it was tied to the dossier's contents.)
― Simon H., Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:28 (six years ago) link
Holy christ that anyone on here would be okay with calling this 'the Russian dossier operation orchestrated and funded by the Hillary Clinton campaign'
― Frederik B, Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:33 (six years ago) link
That's like Benghazi-level right wing conspiracy language.
buuuut it's troo?
so ja i'm OK with it
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:34 (six years ago) link
the gessen piece is worthy of some discussion on a different thread imho
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:39 (six years ago) link
I think I already linked it.....somewhere, at some point. all these threads move fast.
― Simon H., Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:41 (six years ago) link
Morbs, you're insane. It's not true, it's what the Devin Nunes spin says. Are you watching Fox News all day?
― Frederik B, Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:45 (six years ago) link
Wait, are we going along with the implication that that alone makes the dossier info less credible or just saying it’s fair to acknowledge it began as oppo research?
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:47 (six years ago) link
The latter.
― Simon H., Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:48 (six years ago) link
yes
F, get some help
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:55 (six years ago) link
She is clearly not saying the latter. She is calling the whole Russian investigation fallout from the dossier, which is the Nunes bullshit.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:56 (six years ago) link
"Hillary Clinton is a lizard person who didn't visit Wisconsin""Holy shit, what's wrong with this idiot?""What?!?!?! She didn't visit Wisconsin. FUCKYOUFUCKYOURAKJSBRÅOAUBÅTGBÅ"
― Frederik B, Thursday, 22 February 2018 20:59 (six years ago) link
She refers to it as “the discredited dossier” at one point.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 22 February 2018 21:38 (six years ago) link
presumably GG is not endorsing every single assertion by Ms Hemingway
but really guys keep yr trashfire going
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 February 2018 21:47 (six years ago) link
That’s true. Shouldn’t discount possibility that he only the part of the article that mentioned him.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 22 February 2018 22:36 (six years ago) link
morbs your favorite crew is shilling for a hack opportunist, how u feel??
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/22/emilys-list-laura-moser-texas-congress/
― global tetrahedron, Friday, 23 February 2018 00:45 (six years ago) link
pretty good debate
https://theintercept.com/2018/02/21/video-glenn-greenwald-and-james-risen-debate-the-trumprussia-investigation/
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 23 February 2018 00:49 (six years ago) link
tetra, i don't even care to click, and my fave crew is the '73 Mets
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 February 2018 04:26 (six years ago) link
actually dude, most anything that pisses off EMILY's List is fine with me
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 February 2018 21:33 (six years ago) link
One of his best moments
Yes, I do. And I'd be happy to bet you any amount of money that he will.— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) March 18, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:41 (six years ago) link
would find greenwald perfectly defensible if he never tweeted
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:46 (six years ago) link
most of his tweets are fine tbh
― Simon H., Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:57 (six years ago) link
Amazing. Apparently his defense is that he confused him with his father. Believing that Ron Paul would react any differently is just as stupid, though.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 16:59 (six years ago) link
He probably is a libertarian more than a progressive.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link
good to know, exactly what i was talking about
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link
dp
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:01 (six years ago) link
xp***
doing great today lol
Xpost Yeah without question he’d vote for Rand over Bernie Sanders
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:15 (six years ago) link
I...don't actually think that's true
― Simon H., Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:16 (six years ago) link
It's absolutely true that he wears cargo shorts, flip-flops, and his house stinks of dog.
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:17 (six years ago) link
― Frederik B, 24. april 2018 19:00 (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah without question he’d vote for Rand over Bernie Sanders
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, 24. april 2018 19:15 (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Simon H., 24. april 2018 19:16 (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
No, because Rand ain't Ron
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 17:21 (six years ago) link
does Nerdstrom report to gabbneb at the DNC?
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 18:13 (six years ago) link
i don't actually know what Greenwald's politics are but his husband is a socialist politician
― Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 18:15 (six years ago) link
i quit reading GG more than a year ago and he is very annoying on a lot of subjects, but he is not a libertarian, and it's "stupid" (to borrow the only adjective fred appears to know) to keep saying that
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 19:14 (six years ago) link
he's not libertarian much at all. He's just very strident in the contrarian positions that he takes. He's really treating Joy Reid like a chew toy in the past few days.
― Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 19:38 (six years ago) link
can't imagine why he'd be taking offense at joy ann reid right now
― Simon H., Tuesday, 24 April 2018 19:45 (six years ago) link
it ain't hard tbh
― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 19:52 (six years ago) link
His focus on Joy Reid has been ongoing, MSNBC anchors are usually the culprit when the president or the GOP does something bad.. Also he’s definitely not the guy who gets to complain about anyone else’s problematic old blog posts.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 20:03 (six years ago) link
yes the gay man cannot complain about homophobic posts
and he's been sooooo vicious about it
People have the right to change. I believed Joy Reid's apology for those anti-gay blog posts she wrote (they were before the Dem Party officially changed its views on these questions). But her claim that these newly discovered, horribly bigoted posts are fake needs to be verified https://t.co/LYd1rnT07f— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) April 23, 2018
― Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 24 April 2018 20:15 (six years ago) link
When he praises Tucker Carlson and speaks wistfully about Ron Paul, yeah we can say the selectively is suspect in his case
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 24 April 2018 20:17 (six years ago) link