i thought this was cool, the bat strat thru the years:
http://data.whicdn.com/images/23707630/bat-strat3_large.jpg
― flappy bird, Thursday, 22 February 2018 17:41 (six years ago) link
corgan! a study in glumness, coming summer 2018 from taschen
― NEW CHIMP THREAT (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 22 February 2018 17:50 (six years ago) link
tour is already a disaster, not selling anywhere: https://consequenceofsound.net/2018/02/smashing-pumpkins-reunion-tour-doesnt-appear-to-be-selling-very-well/
i'm feeling pretty disgusted with Billy lately, mostly re: stuff in the D'arcy interviews. 1) this is a completely cynical cash grab because Bill got himself in a financial hole buying all those wrestling companies 2) he gave D'arcy the runaround and never seriously considered having her on the tour, and didn't even have the basic courtesy of working out an offer 3) even though it's not exactly news, the stories that D'arcy has told have - for the first time - made it hard for me to listen to SP music.
not sure if yall read the outtakes from the interview, but Billy straight up refused to play "Daydream" in the Gish/SD years because fans wanted to hear it so much & he just couldn't stand D'arcy or anyone else getting any attention. the other revelation from these interviews is the extent to which Billy sidelined D'arcy through the original run & how much the fans lost out on because of his petty insecurities. with James, we got what he could give, and as evidenced by his solo work, he was not a repressed talent like George Harrison. we got Jimmy's contributions obviously. but D'arcy recorded backup vocals for almost all of the songs on MCIS only to have Billy cut them at the last second. he wouldn't let her sing. and now all this false positivity on his instagram because he is nervous as fuck, this tour looks like a disaster, and he totally posted that "proposed" song list the day tickets went on sale purely to generate headlines. he asked fans to post and hashtag any favorites he might've missed. AND THEN he goes on instagram the next day and says "whoa whoa whoa, i only asked for 1 or 2 suggestions, not whole setlists, also why did you flood my DMs? you were supposed to hashtag. besides i've been writing setlists for 35 years, I think I've got this." FUCK YOU
I know this might all be so obvious to some of you but the extent to which SP's "abusive household" dynamic and Billy's unrelenting toxicity to everyone that ever cared about him AND his inexplicable disdain for his fans is all becoming clearer and it makes me sick.
― flappy bird, Monday, 26 February 2018 18:05 (six years ago) link
I never noticed how much Amanda Knox looks like Billy Corgan before
― raise my chicken finger (Willl), Monday, 26 February 2018 19:32 (six years ago) link
I've been listening to Gish again thanks to all these threads and I still love the whole thing, though now "I'm Going Crazy" bugs me because it seems like he tacked that filler on at the end because no way was D'arcy gonna have the last word on his album.
― orifex, Monday, 26 February 2018 19:37 (six years ago) link
Reading Billy's instagram has reminded me that he's the type of guy who uses the word "whilst."
― Sam Weller, Monday, 26 February 2018 21:04 (six years ago) link
xpost Is that supposed to be the same guitar in every picture? I get the feeling Corgan is the sort to have Fender make him pre-distressed vanity guitars.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 26 February 2018 21:28 (six years ago) link
I think even if D'Arcy were involved this tour would not sell, not least because of the last 10 years of SP but also because of the preceding 6 years and also some of the years before that and also because no one likes Billy Corgan and also because BC doesn't like anyone else (including his fans) and also because the band's heyday was two decades ago and it was a moment.
Counterpoint: when the band fought hard against the city to play Chicago for free and ended up donating 100% of net proceeds of the tour to charity. That was cool.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 26 February 2018 21:36 (six years ago) link
― flappy bird, Monday, 26 February 2018 22:20 (six years ago) link
This may be my favorite opening line to an article that I've ever seen in my entire life. pic.twitter.com/HOWqFymYNk— Matthew D'Ambrosio™ (@drmattdambrosio) February 26, 2018
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 26 February 2018 22:38 (six years ago) link
haha old mpls/st paul 00s indie punk crv member wrote that :)
― It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 26 February 2018 23:01 (six years ago) link
ahahahahaha that is the most incredible thing, fuck you Billy
― frogbs, Monday, 26 February 2018 23:06 (six years ago) link
that deserves a pulitzer prize
― scoff walker (diamonddave85), Monday, 26 February 2018 23:13 (six years ago) link
tempted to buy a ticket tbh
― had (crüt), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 02:04 (six years ago) link
luckily they're playing in town so i have one. dont know where. but im not stoked, which sucks. felt really good in late 2017, the solo album was great, the solo show i saw was great, all the press & intimations about a reunion & an emphasis on reestablishing relationships with all members. i remember thinking at the time enjoy this while it lasts
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 02:33 (six years ago) link
if ticket prices get slashed AND I hear glowing reports of early shows, maaaaaybe. but only then.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 27 February 2018 03:09 (six years ago) link
I still have vague memories of them sounding like shit on the Machina tour when I was 14.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 27 February 2018 03:10 (six years ago) link
fully expecting Billy to turn Love Will Tear Us Apart into an unrecognisable 20 minute metal jam every night
― ufo, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 04:06 (six years ago) link
no he learned his lesson with Set the Controls in 2008. every cover he’s done since then has been faithful & imo mostly good, especially Fame. Kinda sick of Space Oddity he’s been doing that for 6 years now.BUT we all know the incredible 20+ min covers of Transmission on the Adore tour. So, who knows.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 04:28 (six years ago) link
BUT we all know the incredible 20+ min covers of Transmission on the Adore tour
oh, of course we do
― Haribo Hancock (sic), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 08:19 (six years ago) link
― Simon H., Tuesday, February 27, 2018 3:10 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
That was the last time I saw them. They were, indeed, shit.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 10:49 (six years ago) link
I only saw them once, at Reading '95. I think they were pretty good, although I can't remember a whole lot of it. They'd just followed Green Day and a pretty awful Hole performance so that probably helped.
― Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 11:39 (six years ago) link
I saw them in Brixton on the Siamese Dream tour, the show where Billy dressed as a clown, and they were very bad, and I was broken-hearted as I wanted them to be great. Low-point - Billy teases opening notes of Drown, my favourite song, then doesn't play it because we "don't deserve it".
Then I saw them at the London show for the Machina tour, which was pretty good, though I don't remember much.
Then I saw a couple of shows at Metro in Chicago and a promo thing at the Natural History Museum for Zwan in 2003, which were excellent. That was a great band, if murderously unstable.
― too notch (stevie), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 11:52 (six years ago) link
I only saw them once, at Reading '95. I think they were pretty good, although I can't remember a whole lot of it.
Wow, I bought a bootleg of that show in '96 for $25, a hefty sum for a 14-year-old. I still listen to it -- that version of "Mayonaise" is my all-time favorite.
― Sam Weller, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 12:05 (six years ago) link
I bought this bootleg of the '94 Astoria concert for probably the same amount. The dude in the record store got his special case w/ bootlegs out from underneath the counter. It felt so bad-ass.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 12:14 (six years ago) link
I was not a bootleg buyer (mainly because I couldn't afford $25 CDs!) but I had a friend who was, and the record store we went to had a "secret back room"
― how's life, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 12:32 (six years ago) link
I just looked up the setlist of the Reading '95 show and I do remember at the time thinking it was picking up a bit around Geek USA, probably because they'd played a few Mellon Collie songs before that and it hadn't come out yet, or I hadn't heard it yet anyway. Mayonaise is one my favourite SP songs so I wish I could say I remembered them playing it, but I don't unfortunately. It's probably on Youtube by now though.
― Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 12:39 (six years ago) link
xp Wasn't it a thrill?! 'My' guy actually got busted for selling bootleg cd's. It cost him dearly, and he was out of business a year later.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 12:58 (six years ago) link
I saw them twice in 94 & they were bad both times, because Billy kept trying to play too fast and Jimmy would get lost a bit before catching up, and it was a mess. I would not go see them again (and have never been a fan as much as an interested observer)
― droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 13:08 (six years ago) link
I know I saw Zwan once, at the Aragon, and I seem to recall it was pretty okay.I was reading the comments of that AV club twist the knife takedown, and somebody compared Melancholy to Frampton Comes Alive.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 13:11 (six years ago) link
xxp Around '97 the thrill of buying bootlegs at my local shop (the Record Exchange in Lakewood, OH) dimmed with the advent of the internet, as I spent the next few years dealing and trading SP concert cassettes via some SP message board. But boy did I spend too much hard-earned cash on them.
― Sam Weller, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 13:24 (six years ago) link
Listessa was the first band mailing list I was on I think, and a spin-off from that, June. That's when the trading started indeed!
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 13:52 (six years ago) link
oh my God, second shows added in Chicago and Los Angeles!! Act fast!
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 17:18 (six years ago) link
Lol
the 1998 cover of Transmission:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDF08fr7Efo
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 17:21 (six years ago) link
And they said it couldn't be improved.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 February 2018 17:41 (six years ago) link
What a flatulent mess
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 20:06 (six years ago) link
great Pearl Jam soundcheck jam cover of "Transmission"
― It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 February 2018 20:22 (six years ago) link
damn fools, fuck a $25 boot, you should have gotten into the CD-R trading scene!!!
― brimstead, Friday, 2 March 2018 22:54 (six years ago) link
except all the live boots i traded for were crap except for that pre-siamese dream tower records acoustic set
the last 5 tracks on this: https://www.discogs.com/Smashing-Pumpkins-A-La-Mode-Vol-2/release/8475182
― brimstead, Friday, 2 March 2018 22:55 (six years ago) link
11-27-93, i guess it was after SD was released
― brimstead, Friday, 2 March 2018 22:56 (six years ago) link
Save yourself $25 here's Mayonaise from Reading 1995:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCct55BFetE
I'd just turned 19, jesus christ.
― Colonel Poo, Friday, 2 March 2018 22:57 (six years ago) link
When I saw the final show at Metro whenever that was they handed out CDs of their first show at Metro. Not sure I ever listened to it, though.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 March 2018 22:58 (six years ago) link
1,162 Pumpkins shows on archive.org for free: https://archive.org/details/SmashingPumpkins
― flappy bird, Friday, 2 March 2018 23:05 (six years ago) link
a far cry from ye ancient unreliable Smashing Pumpkins Audio Archive FTP
― brimstead, Friday, 2 March 2018 23:05 (six years ago) link
If you email me negativly about this, expect to get a reply...a nasty one! I am not above flaming anyone that does not respect that hard work and hard currency I have sunk into maintaining the Archive over the past year and a half.
― brimstead, Friday, 2 March 2018 23:07 (six years ago) link
― brimstead, Friday, March 2, 2018 5:54 PM (twenty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
CD-Rs were still not on the market at that time! I did some tape trading, but once stuff made its way to me, we're talking like 10th generation audience recordings recorded over my sister's copy of Grease.
― how's life, Friday, 2 March 2018 23:24 (six years ago) link
heads up btw: POLLcelina of the Vast Oceans - ILM artist poll #87 - SMASHING PUMPKINS (voting open until 2 April 2018)
― lol dis stance dunk (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 21 March 2018 14:58 (six years ago) link
RS: You're a Smashing Pumpkins fan. Thoughts on the D'arcy-free reunion?
JARED LETO: I don't...I didn't even know there was a reunion. Sorry.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/f...ouring-w518756
― flappy bird, Sunday, 15 April 2018 02:57 (six years ago) link
I didn't know Thirty Seconds to Mars was still a going concern.
― how's life, Sunday, 15 April 2018 10:49 (six years ago) link