Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

I don't think the corporations really care in their corporate mind why their products have consumer appeal, but I wouldn't in the least be surprised if some gun collectors, including executives of pro-gun organizations, took them out for masturbatory sessions.

Gross. pic.twitter.com/rgOOsq5PS3

— Alyssa Milano (@Alyssa_Milano) February 25, 2018

Sanpaku, in fairness I think Old Lunch was talking mostly about Lapierre and Loesch, not the ranknfiley NRA membership. Of those doods I agree there is fetishization of the gun itself.

But also it is used as a symbol of larger tribal culture-war stuff, which is where I think "pissing off the libs" enters into it. Consider:

https://www.vox.com/2015/12/4/9845146/mass-shootings-gun-control

Guns have now ascended to the level of worldview and identity, areas largely beyond the reach of persuasion.

Let us imagine, then, a conservative gun owner — an older white gentleman, let's say, in his 50s, living in the Rust Belt somewhere. When he was growing up, there was living memory of a familiar order....

The role he thought he was meant to play in the world, the privileges and respect that came along with it, have been thrown into doubt. Everything is shifting under his feet....

He's given up a lot, but he won't give up his autonomy or the safety of his family. He'll defend that to the end....

You can tell him about Canada and Australia until you're blue in the face... But you're just another self-righteous liberal on another self-righteous crusade....

You've taken enough — of his taxes, his freedoms, his culture. He won't give you any more.

Now, I think where the strands intersect is that the NRA as an organization is addicted to the money and loyalty and voting power of people who are motivated by these particular strands of pro-gun feeling. Both the glockererotic fascination with the object, and the fact that it has become a tribal symbol like lattes and arugula and hybrid cars or whatever.

Law-abiding, law-abiding, oh and law-abiding! Doctors! Fire fighters! Nurses! Good law-abiding ppl allround! Also we carry guns because it's our RIGHT and DEF not INSANE! And these SCHOOL KILLINGS are in our way, almost infringing on our RIGHTS. We love GUNS and it's our RIGHT, to SHOOT ppl, KILL ppl, so LET US LOVE GUNS. Second mundment yall, lemme smang it. Guns RULE, and R 2 cool 4 school. Fuck yeah Murica, let us shoot GUNS and KILL ppl erryday. FUCK yeah. luv2masturbate2gunviolence as a Murican, fetish otm.

Milano otm.

Stats on Jain and Parsi NRA members plz

From your comment, I'm curious about any pacifist leaning among Parsis. Jains, sure, I've eaten Gujarati cuisine. But Parsis? The Persian empire wasn't pacifist in the least...

Massacre survivor calls for spring break boycotts in Florida

I didn't mean to imply that Parsis are pacifist, just that I was curious about the basis for the NRA's claim that its members represent every religion in the world.

xp: I've watched gun collectors in my family stroke their collections. I've seen the odd photographic genre of girls in bikinis (and less) with guns take off in my lifetime. There is absolutely a sexual fetishization of their toys.

― It's because I'm human, isn't it?! (Sanpaku), Saturday, February 24, 2018 6:55 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't think the corporations really care in their corporate mind why their products have consumer appeal, but I wouldn't in the least be surprised if some gun collectors, including executives of pro-gun organizations, took them out for masturbatory sessions.

― It's because I'm human, isn't it?! (Sanpaku), Saturday, February 24, 2018 6:58 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FObVW2abE68

My NRA-member cold-dead-hands aunt, who I've been foolishly arguing with all week on FB, just posted this story from our hometown without a trace of irony or understanding. It's taking every ounce of willpower to not just reply "THIS STORY MAKES MY POINT FOR ME."

At approximately 8:30 am this morning (Saturday, February 24th ) Lake County Deputy Sheriffs responded to a home at 4515 Maple Street in Perry Township after receiving a call that a man had just shot and killed his sister at that address. Upon arrival deputies attempted repeatedly to make contact from outside the home but received no response. Unsure of the situation inside the home responding Deputy Sheriff's made entry into the home. Deputies found all 3 residents of the home deceased from gun shot wounds.

While the situation is currently under investigation it appears that Ralph Moore Jr. (age 62) lived at this address with his sister Vickie Thornhill (age unknown) and her daughter Arianna Cope (age 19). From information gathered thus far it seems Vickie Thornhill and her daughter were moving out of the home today. Ralph Moore was distraught over them leaving him alone, and he shot and killed both of them. He then called his sister and told her what he had done, and then killed himself.

Detectives and the Lake County Crime Lab are still on scene investigating what appears to be a murder-suicide. No further information is available at this time.

Chief Deputy Frank Leonbruno

...why don't you?

Because she is not the kind of person in a position to be convinced of anything. This person must have suffered from the dreaded Mental Illness, and if he didn't have a gun would have just used a knife.

You've been arguing all week already though, why exclude this relevant point?

(unless you mean you had already given up on the arguing, and are resisting re-entering the fray)

CAN'T STOP EVIL

if he didn't have a gun would have just used a knife

The existence of knives has done wonders for the NRA.

xxp basically, yeah, I'm done knocking my head against this particular wall.

The clear counterpoint in this instance is 'well, if those family members had just been armed...'. As if that scenario wouldn't also likely have ended with everyone being shot.

yeah but they'd have died defending themselves - an honorable murican death

I've seen a couple of different "cold dead hands" types say "gun death figures are meaningless unless you take out the suicides" this week. Which is super charming.

It's not charming but tbf

totally bloody fair?

taking out the suicides is total bullshit tho, cuz how many of those people would still be alive if they didn't have immediate access to handheld death machines at the lowest points in their lives

They could just ad easily run themselves over with a car.

You might as well live

support a ban on cars

They could just ad easily run themselves over with a car.

rip brian harvey :(

The Associated Press reports:

A Pennsylvania school district will cancel classes at an elementary school on Wednesday because a church down the street is hosting a ceremony featuring AR-15 rifles. World Peace and Unification Sanctuary in Newfoundland believes the AR-15 symbolizes the “rod of iron” in the biblical book of Revelation, and it is encouraging couples to bring the weapons to a commitment ceremony.

The Unification Sanctuary’s leader, the Rev. Sean Moon, is the son of the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, a self-proclaimed messiah who founded the Unification Church. The ceremony, to be held about a half-mile from Wallenpaupack South Elementary School, is expected to draw hundreds of couples.

On Friday, the superintendent of the Wallenpaupack Area School District wrote in a letter to parents that while “there is no direct threat to our school or community,” given concerns about parking, traffic and the “nature of the event,” students will be bused to schools about 15 miles away.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/national/school-close-for-church-ceremony-featuring-rifles/PHfwQe4XptvpLvOZlKENAK/

That John the Revelator knew his weaponry.

Has this been posted anywhere yet?

http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/375646-georgia-lt-gov-threatens-delta-unless-it-restores-relationship-with-nra

Georgia Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle (R) said Monday he would block any tax legislation that benefits Delta Airlines after the company ended its discount program for National Rifle Association (NRA) members.

“I will kill any tax legislation that benefits @Delta unless the company changes its position and fully reinstates its relationship with @NRA. Corporations cannot attack conservatives and expect us not to fight back,” Cagle tweeted.

"Let's all hope that Delta comes to its senses and we can go back to the usual way of granting benefits to large corporations."

That's like threatening to have the utilities shut off in your home because your son refuses to change his t-shirt. I'm sure your wife and your other kids will bear the burden of your empty threat with a smile.

Again, though, totally support the NRA and their cohorts engaging in overblown, petulant responses which threaten to further marginalize them and undercut their extremist crusade.

lmao that guy just handed free legal ammunition to Delta to sue over any piece of legislation they don't like

Can't turn your nose up at free ammunition I guess

1) I can't believe I Actually Thought we could Accomplish anything before this midterm election
2) THEYRE MAKING IT SO EASY FOR US TO VOTE THEM OUT? ITS BEYOND LUDICROUS
3) Ya'll are lucky I don't curse on here
4) I have No Words. They are Actively rooting for our deaths now. https://t.co/fmB41fLPJa

— Emma González (@Emma4Change) February 27, 2018

she has the secret of populist Capialization

so much power

so young

She's the best. Hogg is pretty incredible, too.

hold up... that church is a MOONIE CHURCH? every headline writer who just wrote 'church' really needs to be spoken to

lol otm

Hogg has formidable camera presence and can speak in sentences; he shames whoever interviews him.

I think you mean he's a paid actor?

the new wingnut version is:

rightwingers understanding of power dynamics dot jpg pic.twitter.com/RhxTCmB0ui

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) February 26, 2018

i could shoot up a school on 5th avenue and my supporters would still love me!

I find Hogg guilty of conduct unbecoming a victim. How dare he directly confront the factors which led to his becoming a victim rather than weeping helplessly.

every time i read/see anything about gonzalez, hogg, and any of the others, i just start crying. they are SO FUCKING FIERCE coming out of an absolutely traumatic experience, at an age when most people can barely form coherent thoughts on anything.

Ah, but the "victims of illegals" exploitationpalooza '16 was TOTALLY different...

Re: Gonzalez and Hogg, specifically, it really says a lot that the suspicious red flag for so many is their passion, energy and coherence. Must be actors, right?

every time i read/see anything about gonzalez, hogg, and any of the others, i just start crying. they are SO FUCKING FIERCE coming out of an absolutely traumatic experience, at an age when most people can barely form coherent thoughts on anything.

― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, February 27, 2018 9:38 AM (thirty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OTM

and if the GOP is not shook by these "kids" then they should be

A thought about the Delta story: Ah, so THAT'S what will get Republicans to oppose a huge tax break for a massive corporation.

Economics-only theorists should take note: the tribal culture-war bullshit is (at least in this instance) stronger than capitalism.

Huh, I had no idea the NRA made it so difficult to cancel your membership. Requires sending them a signed letter, apparently, and you have to specifically demand to be removed from all lists.

Ronald Reagan on the idea of selling military weapons to the public pic.twitter.com/2AH0QZqT0s

— Beto O'Rourke (@BetoORourke) February 27, 2018