Chvrches

Apparently, the youtube mobile app link doesn't embed. Which is a shame cause this is excellent!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKuxh0E9mSI

when I listen to 'get out' I find myself singing 'party in the usa' half an hour later

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEdRhmBx8IU

good afternoon everyone except turrican

brad!!!!

yessss

I kind of like this better than either of the two new singles we've heard so far.

Also, man is Lauren adorable!

I kind of like this better than either of the two new singles we've heard so far.

― Dangleballs and the Ballerina (cryptosicko)

I was just thinking exactly the same thing. This is a lovely version of one of the best songs of the last few years.

Nah.

This is like The Beatles covering Freddie & the Dreamers - utterly pointless. Why lower yourself when your original material is so good?

That's Chvrches AND the 1975 done and dusted, who next for our intrepid hero?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvH6XcFGPAE

Needs more synths.

The newest one is probably the best so far: https://open.spotify.com/album/6JeYnZs46raym3yo9L1koC

i really wish we made a new thread for the new album.

looking forward to this album

Never Say Die is much better than My Enemy and Get Out which were both quite dull

This album's gonna rule.

Chvrches - Love Is Dead (2018)

The long-awaited Chvrches/Chris Brown beef is on!

Seems like this has become an alt-right pet topic on Reddit. They'll latch on to pretty much anything that makes an African American artist look bad. But no doubt Chris Brown is a scumbag.

Lauren's been sharing PM's that she's been getting via Instagram over this whole thing. Literally threats of violence.

Chris Brown is a major asshole junkie. He deserves all the shit he gets. That said, just erase him into oblivion.

I think that he's a hugely talented black male American artist who had a seemingly one-time violent altercation with Rihanna when he was all of 20, turned himself into police the same day, pled guilty to a felony charge, served his time, and has since found Rihanna's forgiveness, but has not emancipated himself from the harassment of both the media and the public, largely because he's a talented black man, and non-talented non-black Americans have a serious problem with "talented" and "black" people.

You know who had police called to his house three times for domestic disturbances? And: allegations of physical abuse? Sean Bean. Lord of Winterfell! But he's old and white and so I guess whatever. He probably wasn't dating Rihanna at the time. I wonder if he's a "major asshole"? I wonder if he's a "junkie"?

If Chris is in fact a "major asshole" that completely contradicts every account that I've heard from mutual friends. If he is a "junkie" then I support him and hope he's getting care for his addiction. "Erase him into oblivion"? What do you mean, exactly? Kill him? Get all excited if he gets murdered in the street? Emmett Till him? I don't understand what you're actually requesting. If you are actually posting here asking for a black male entertainer to be "erased into oblivion" i.e. murdered? destroyed? shot into space? then we can talk about that. If that is your desire then maybe we can help you with that. But if you have issues with him that can be addressed by adjusting your browser settings or your internet habits that don't involve engaging in topics that involve "Chris Brown" then maybe these can be addressed without implied physical violence against black American men... and I say this as a person who fully installed a "block Chris Brown" widget on my browser because I couldn't personally deal with the discourse surrounding his arrest etc. I don't wanna read about Chris Brown. Or what Chvrches have to say about him. But I hope he's not "erased"! "Into oblivion"! And if he is in fact a junkie I hope he has support.

I don't know anything about the band Chvrches except a couple of songs I've heard on the radio and they seem to be pretty good I guess. If they are going to be "calling out" Marshmello for being complicit in abuse they might want to check in with the survivors of Chris Brown's violence before doing so, as it seems as if the survivors of his violence are largely desiring of moving on from the entire affair and have expressed no desire to see the man "erased into oblivion".

Other women have made claims of abuse against Chris Brown,including most recently rape accusation earlier this year.

Being a drug addict is no sin obv and junkie is a shitty slur

Why a bus full of mental patients though?

Being a junkie might be a shitty slur but he's a father. Or should be a father. And time and again he's been an abusive partner. And to imply my statement is racist? Please. I don't think highly of any addicted parent who neglects their duty. (Top spot for worst is my grandmother.) I know plenty pf addicts who aren't abusive. I just think in his case it brings out the worst. And racism has no relevance in my thoughts of him. It's his behavior. Not the colour of his skin. (There are plenty of caucasian artists, and non-artists, whose behavior I find despicable.)

To say Rihanna forgave him: sfw. He's still a terrible person. (Case in point: how he reacted. Being run over by a bus? Meh. Full of "mental patients?" Double yuck.)

Was it Tyga who said? Let's have positive energy. Fuck that. If he had proven to change his behavior, sure. But no.

Btw when I said erase, I meant to imply from the stage. Jfc. Get a grip. I do not wish him harm. I just wish he was a better human being. And stop dragging the colour of his skin into it. It doesn't give him a pass, nor does it Depp/Bean/Weinstein nor any other white man.

My attitude has shifted enormously about this sort of discourse once I saw white Twitter dancing jigs about XXXTentacion getting gunned down in the street, while Geneva Ayala was grieving about it. I don’t believe people have survivors prioritized. I believe Chvrches’s statement was absolutely made in reference to Rihanna. I don’t believe that Chvrches’s statement was of any benefit to Rihanna or any other potential survivors of Chris Brown’s actions. I don’t support Chris Brown’s response or really fuck with him or his music, but I won’t ever deny that the man’s talent is incandescent, and I definitely think that in general white people pile on overzealously on black male public figures

as much as i've observed white people getting a tantalizingly-close-to-racist thrill from shitting on chris brown i do think his apparent incandescent talent is irrelevant to this conversation unless you believe that talent has permanently earned him his space in culture and that none of his actions have any impact on the size of that space. i think chvrches statement was absolutely made in reference to how powerless one feels when they see an abuser constantly rescued by an industry that makes money off of them, idk

I definitely think that in general white people pile on overzealously on black male public figures

... you do realize not everyone on ILX, or the world for that matter, is American?

Let's not forget his classy chain choice shortly after the Rihanna thing. At the very least, he seems to have always come across as an unapologetic douchebag whenever he gets called out for his behavior.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ZuXhNPn_MXk/S9RnU__xqBI/AAAAAAAAAIc/sYtj2ARimQg/s1600/opps-chain.jpg

as much as i've observed white people getting a tantalizingly-close-to-racist thrill from shitting on chris brown i do think his apparent incandescent talent is irrelevant to this conversation unless you believe that talent has permanently earned him his space in culture and that none of his actions have any impact on the size of that space.

He doesn't have a place in my life. But I also don't go out of my way to call him out... I recognize that the majority of his fans are black women, and that it is likely that those fans won't appreciate or be interested in the opinions of white men or women commenting on him and his actions. I would imagine that it would be dehumanizing for a black (female) Chris Brown fan to observe white voices intruding into their relationship with his music, calling him an "abuser", when in their perception, he did his time and was forgiven by the survivor of his violence. Added to this is a reenforcement of the rush-judgement toward black men being criminals. I don't think it's a good look. I hate that Chvrches are getting death threats, they do not deserve them. I understand why people would be moved to such anger and vitriol.

i think chvrches statement was absolutely made in reference to how powerless one feels when they see an abuser constantly rescued by an industry that makes money off of them, idk

I don't use the word "abuser" very often any more, if at all, as I have observed its usage to capitalize off the ambiguity of its non-specificity, and the black-and-white dichotomies that "abuse" and "abuser" imply. I have seen the usage of the word used more often by people who are themselves attempting to engage in harmful and manipulative and controlling behaviour, rather than people who are actually trying to achieve any sense of justice. So I don't personally use it. More specifically than Chris Brown being an "abuser", he's a felon who pled guilty to a charge of domestic abuse, he was arrested on cannabis possession, had a restraining order placed against him by another girlfriend, and had a sexual assault charge against him dropped.

Again. He doesn't have a place in my life. But I question, as always, if white people are thinking about how their comments about someone like Chris Brown being an "abuser" makes his black fans feel, if it might not re-enforce long-standing feelings of systemic persecution by the justice system, if it might not re-enforce long-held cultural stereotypes about black men being violent criminals, and if their comments are actually are doing anything to benefit or protect past survivors of the individual's abuse and/or future survivors.

nathom, my frustration with this issue is a response to the discourse-at-large and I focused this frustration on you with the post I made last night and it was repugnant and I apologize

ok!

Actually you made some valid points. And thank you for elaborating.

It wasn't repugnant btw. Not at all.

Ah thanks. I felt like I was being an asshole, I really shouldn't post after midnight my brain is like Gremlins

I definitely think that in general white people pile on overzealously on black male public figures

... you do realize not everyone on ILX, or the world for that matter, is American?

― Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Tuesday, 30 April 2019 15:13 (four hours ago)

Are you saying you think this is strictly an American phenomenon?

No, but this context is American and fgti explains it from an American viewpoint, and maybe fgti is very familiar with the situation in countries outwith the US - in which case I defer to fgti - otherwise I don't believe you can switch from the American to the general, especially as nathom is not American. And this happens all the time on ILX.

There was virtually a whole thread of darraghmac and jordan s (I think?) going toe-to-toe over it.

fgti is not american

Canadian. Not exactly Belgium, is it?

... maybe don't answer that

We have had nearly a decade of Rehabilitate Chris Brown military-industrial complex and now we have a band who have had to up their security because they're recieving rape and death threats for calling it out.

Yes black artists are disproportionately attacked for things like this because they are disproportionately attacked for everything relative to white artists but even bearing that in mind no one should be choosing this hill to die on.

Also without wanting to downplay the racial element it's not like we haven't just had nearly two years' worth of #MeToo and an intensely nasty backlash to it, of which this is another symptom.

I hate that Chvrches are getting death threats, they do not deserve them. I understand why people would be moved to such anger and vitriol.

o_0

Understanding =/= endorsement

Good posts Matt DC

Tbh I am extremely doubtful that the abuse Chvrches are getting is predominantly motivated by racial injustice, especially given the parts of the internet where this story has blown up. And while we're talking about toxic biases it doesn't take a genius to work out which member of the band is getting the worst of the threats and abuse.

If you read what Brown actually posted it seems very much in asshole character ("a speeding bus full of mental patients"). Writing "TA-TA. GOODDAY PEASANTS" at them is kinda mostly lolsad - I'm probably trying too hard to read it as he also thinks they're from England.

it doesn't take a genius to work out which member of the band is getting the worst of the threats and abuse

oh yeah, no way they get 1/10 the grief over this sans Lauren

ime men sending a woman sexual violence threats over the internet are generally motivated by the impulse of "when a woman says something bad about something i like i threaten her w/sexual violence via the internet" & little more. like we can talk about how the media and white ppl talk about chris brown and black entertainers without extending the hand of understanding to chuds sending a woman their sex-torture fantasies