Another fucking spree shooting. Great.

the moonies are a cult and the only reason anyone calls them a church is because they made a fuckload of money and peddled their influence to media organizations in the 80's and 90's

What the fuck is a Moonie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_Church_of_the_United_States

thanks i hate it

There are some eccentrics trying to return to the pre-Pauline Ebionite sect of the historical Jesus. It's about as feasible as neo-pagans attempting to recreate other lost religions of antiquity.

Delegating all judgment of other people to an imaginary friend has been working splendidly for me.

Eh. I am not sure I mind all that much if people lazily conflate the Moon church with more mainstream denominations. They're equally speculative, they just differ in degree of weirdness. Possibly a minority view and anyway not for this thread

There are some eccentrics trying to return to the pre-Pauline Ebionite sect of the historical Jesus. It's about as feasible as neo-pagans attempting to recreate other lost religions of antiquity.

― It's because I'm human, isn't it?! (Sanpaku)

surely that's most of the appeal, isn't it? if you're trying to follow pauline christianity you have to reckon with all of those darn primary source documents (some of which at least are unlikely to be forgeries) that contradict what you believe. all we know about the ebionites are taken from heresiologists who, being biased on the topic, can safely be ignored. such practices strike me as being the purest form of christianity - claiming to follow Ancient Eternal Truth while in practice doing whatever the hell one feels like.

sorry. somebody should probably revive a christianity thread to talk about this, shouldn't they?

My point was just this: as a matter of epistemology, being a Moonie or Mormon or neo-pagan or Lubavitcher isn't inherently more absurd than being a Presbyterian or whatever. Zeus and Thor and Ra and Kali and God all have the same amount of evidence in their favor (none). So saying that these denominations over here are respectable - while those ones over there are kooky - is purely a matter of culture, power, taste, and class. To me, the Unification churches and the Lutheran ones are on equally shaky ground, theologically speaking. Plenty of absurdity in the mainstream doctrines.

mmmm, i think doctrine in religion is a cousin to policy in politics - people tend to overrate how influential such things are. if politics is a matter of group affiliation, religion is even more so - the lutheran church is not "mainline" because of any doctrines they happen to hold, but because of the social dynamics and makeup of that particular group. the mormons were "fringe" in america almost exclusively because they practiced polygamy - their doctrine regarding coffee and tea didn't matter. polygamy was of course a doctrine, but more importantly it was, even after being repudiated as a doctrine, a social practice. it was not the repudiation of polygamy of a doctrine, but its repudiation as a social practice, that made the lds "mainstream".

it's not the beliefs that make a cult a cult obv, but the dynamic between its elect and its members

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/03/02/central-michigan-university-shooter/388293002/

2 dead

suspect still at large

fucking fuck

The two dead aren't students.

being described as a "domestic dispute"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-michigan-shooting/gunman-kills-two-in-domestic-dispute-in-michigan-university-dorm-idUSKCN1GE23F

prev article suggested the 2 victims might be his parents- has anyone seen any more info on that angle

awful no matter how yo slice it

*you

It's far from perfect, but many of the Parkland shooting survivors wanted it: it's the first major piece of gun legislation passed in Florida in decades.

Doesn't seem like it'll affect manufacturers' bottom line much so I'm not shocked by any of the measures that made it through. Unfortunately I don't imagine they'll make much of a dent in shootings. (I *reaaaallly* hope I'm wrong, though.)

I mainly hope The Teens don't take this as a prompt to ease off one bit.

Arm school employees.
Perhaps the most controversial provision of the bill is one that would allow superintendents and sheriffs to arm school personnel — a measure not requested by the Parkland students but long desired by the N.R.A., which argues that gun-free zones prevent people from defending themselves in an attack. Specifically, the bill would create a $67 million “marshal” program under which certain employees — including counselors, coaches and librarians, but not full-time classroom teachers — could be trained and armed. (The program would be voluntary.) Under an amendment successfully proposed by State Senator Randolph Bracy, a Democrat, these employees would first have to undergo 12 hours of diversity training.

raising the buying age and instituting a waiting period are good I guess

https://theoutline.com/post/3571/david-hogg-parkland-interview

But, he clarified, he doesn’t feel like he’s the one who should be calling for this. “I shouldn't have to! I’m 17,” he said, but he and his classmates feel that adults — both voters and policymakers — have failed them. “When your old-ass parent is like, ‘I don’t know how to send an iMessage,’ and you’re just like, ‘Give me the fucking phone and let me handle it.’ Sadly, that’s what we have to do with our government; our parents don’t know how to use a fucking democracy, so we have to.”

Hero.

i love it

ha wow that's fucking great

seriously?

that's amazing.

makes u think

https://i.redd.it/zkgq9qcq9kk01.png

Now if he'd said David Platt from Coronation Street...

lmao @ "same ideas"

Sherri Pomeroy told us that Ussery and Mann were apprehended when they went onto church property, painted on a memorial poster, and screamed obscenities at her husband, Pastor Frank Pomeroy. The pair, along with many other conspiracy theorists, believe that the Pomeroys’ 14-year-old daughter Annabelle — who was among 26 people killed in the massacre — never existed, and that the incident was a “false flag” or crisis manufactured by the government for the purpose of seizing guns and power.

Sherri Pomeroy told us, “It’s been ongoing, almost from the first day it happened. They call it a drill from Homeland Security and say that none of it happened.”

Her husband told the Express-News that Ussery had threatened him and that he “… continually yelled and screamed and hollered and told me he was gonna hang me from a tree, and pee on me while I’m hanging.”
from https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/03/06/conspiracy-theorists-arrested-harassing-sutherland-springs-pastor/

Good luck, America.

Pomeroy told the newspaper that the pair tried to bait him and the church member into doing something stupid.

Ussery "screamed and hollered and told me he was gonna hang me from a tree, and pee on me while I'm hanging," he said.

Is this about the pizza and pedophilia again?

Nah, there have been false flag claims for years, at least since Sandy Hook - they don’t need paedophilia as an excuse when they have the government taking away their guns.

Sandy Hook was the first time I started seeing them en masse.

to think, the bullshit urban legends when I grew up were that Mountain Dew decreased your sperm count

now we have people screaming at still-grieving parents that their dead kid never existed

hell if you read the Boston Marathon bombing thread on this site, you'll see comments where Alex Jones was calling it a 'false flag' before any official explanation of what happened had even come out from officials

I feel like with a lot of this current false flag stuff you can draw a line back to Waco and the conspiracy theories about the ATF victimizing and burning the innocent gun hoarding BDs.

i think that's more of a JFK-type conspiracy theory, the real shit started with 9/11 and the twin towers being brought down by either explosive charges planted in the buildings or by lasers.

worth a read, although it doesn't go into the history of the term being co-opted by lunatics:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

I feel like with a lot of this current false flag stuff you can draw a line back to Waco and the conspiracy theories about the ATF victimizing and burning the innocent gun hoarding BDs.

― President Keyes, Thursday, March 8, 2018 1:25 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

uhhh. i don't think you have to be a conspiracy theorist to think that maybe the waco siege could have been handled a lot better

Around the era of Loose Change which was you know, at least a properly made film despite all the craziness in it, i used to think 'Jeez wtf comes after THIS?' and it was the likes of pizzagate and the Sandy Hook theories. Then you can't help but think 'Well what's going to top THIS?' The comments under this clip provide the answer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rl_NpdAy3WY

looool

The one that got me was the Bernstein bears, even my auto correct knows it's an E. I distinctly remember pronouncing it Stein, because of Albert Einstein until my teacher told me it was wrong and it was pronounced "Steen" but I couldn't grasp that concept, we'll because of Einstein lol I never let that go. I would have never pronounced Stain wrong, wine stain, grass stain and so forth. I was always 2 grade levels ahead of the class when it came to reading. Fast forward to now and there's an A???? And it's ALWAYS been that way ??? No deal man I refuse to believe that.. Right in my childhood.

some discussion here: List conspiracy theories here.

wait til he finds out about the coverup w/r/t the real spelling

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61USjVOaY5L._SX258_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

This hasn’t been reported anywhere, I think it just happened. Look for yourself or check out this quick video (quote is at 0:30 mark)

https://youtu.be/dLVIWNjZKiE

So to recap (because I’m not trying to promote my video) it was
You like me, you really really like me
Then it went
You like me, right now, you like me
Now it’s:
You like me, right now, YOU’LL like me
Just wanted to tell the real ones here

omar little
Posted: March 8, 2018 at 4:26:57 PM
i think that's more of a JFK-type conspiracy theory, the real shit started with 9/11 and the twin towers being brought down by either explosive charges planted in the buildings or by lasers.

OTM. 9/11 spec provided the synaptic template for all this shit. It had to wait for Web 2.0 to really spread its seed but it was the real game changer