yeah it's a back fields thing against brewers minor leaguers (i think). keston hiura did double off him, think there were other hits
― mookieproof, Friday, 2 March 2018 18:08 (six years ago) link
i'm kinda surprised they wasted a 52-pitch ohtani spring training start on a b-game, though. you'd think they want to give him as many opportunities as possible to face major leaguers before the season starts
― i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Friday, 2 March 2018 18:14 (six years ago) link
idk. plus they're at home this afternoon (not that the cactus league involves a lot of travel)
― mookieproof, Friday, 2 March 2018 18:17 (six years ago) link
Shohei Ohtani, breaking ball (from today). 😳 pic.twitter.com/pTrmll2bDi— Rob Friedman (@PitchingNinja) March 2, 2018
otoh, i don't think it mattered that this was a minor leaguer
― mookieproof, Friday, 2 March 2018 20:42 (six years ago) link
http://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/la-sp-dodgers-angels-ohtani-20180307-story.html
this is nagl on the dodgers part imo. boo hoo, you had to sit in some pointless unproductive meetings, welcome to every day of my life
― na (NA), Thursday, 8 March 2018 16:23 (six years ago) link
otm
― mookieproof, Thursday, 8 March 2018 16:27 (six years ago) link
have the Angels said if they'll consider bypassing the DH when Ohtani pitches, so he can hit? Presents a problem when he's relieved, obviously.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 March 2018 17:09 (six years ago) link
bypassing = eschewing
could they not list him as the DH, who happened to also do some pitching at the start of the game? tbh i don't really know the DH rules
― mookieproof, Thursday, 8 March 2018 17:21 (six years ago) link
The designated hitter rule allows teams to use another player to bat in place of the pitcher. Because the pitcher is still part of the team's nine defensive players, the designated hitter -- or "DH" -- does not take the field on defense.The DH must be selected prior to the game, and that selected hitter must come to bat at least one time -- unless the opposing team changes pitchers prior to that point. A team that chooses not to select a DH prior to a game is barred from using a DH for the rest of that game. A player who enters the game in place of the DH -- either as a pinch-hitter or a pinch-runner -- becomes the DH in his team's lineup thereafter.If a player serving as the DH is later used on defense, he continues to bat in his same lineup spot. But for the rest of the game, his team cannot use a DH to bat in place of the pitcher. A team is also barred from using a DH for the rest of the game if the pitcher moves from the mound to another defensive position, a player pinch-hits for any other player and then becomes the pitcher, or the current pitcher pinch-hits or pinch-runs for the DH.
The DH must be selected prior to the game, and that selected hitter must come to bat at least one time -- unless the opposing team changes pitchers prior to that point. A team that chooses not to select a DH prior to a game is barred from using a DH for the rest of that game. A player who enters the game in place of the DH -- either as a pinch-hitter or a pinch-runner -- becomes the DH in his team's lineup thereafter.
If a player serving as the DH is later used on defense, he continues to bat in his same lineup spot. But for the rest of the game, his team cannot use a DH to bat in place of the pitcher. A team is also barred from using a DH for the rest of the game if the pitcher moves from the mound to another defensive position, a player pinch-hits for any other player and then becomes the pitcher, or the current pitcher pinch-hits or pinch-runs for the DH.
not sure anything here except that last bit even approaches covering Otani's situation.
― omar little, Thursday, 8 March 2018 17:24 (six years ago) link
i don't think he can be a "DH" while pitching because, well, he's pitching. and playing defence etc. i think this is all we need to know: "A team that chooses not to select a DH prior to a game is barred from using a DH for the rest of that game."
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 8 March 2018 18:22 (six years ago) link
My understanding is that Otani can switch from pitcher to outfielder (and then can be switched out?)... I think there's something saying as much upthread but hey I'm lazy lol.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 8 March 2018 18:26 (six years ago) link
lit up by tijuana today, apparently
― mookieproof, Friday, 9 March 2018 21:17 (six years ago) link
sure he can, Al, but i'm wondering why not bat him *while* he's in the game pitching, and using no DH is the only way.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 March 2018 21:19 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkDDlgh8dAY
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 9 March 2018 22:12 (six years ago) link
that bat flip sucks
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 9 March 2018 22:17 (six years ago) link
bat flips are cool but the spring training variety is like doing the Mutombo "not in my house" after you block a shot by a 3rd grader
― and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Friday, 9 March 2018 22:37 (six years ago) link
ok i am going to hell but i did not expect that bat boy and i may have laughed super loud
― flippy bard (Will M.), Friday, 9 March 2018 22:43 (six years ago) link
this is an attention-getting quote
“He’s basically like a high school hitter because he’s never seen a good curveball,” the scout said. “He’s seen fastballs and changeups. And you’re asking a high school hitter to jump to the major leagues?"
https://sports.yahoo.com/verdict-shohei-ohtanis-bat-not-good-023611674.html
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 March 2018 16:35 (six years ago) link
i don't know if i trust any scout that compares the pitchers in the second-best professional league in the world to a USA high school league.
this does seem like a plausible scenario though:
They [the scouts interviewed for the story] also believe major league pitchers are going to punish him with inside fastballs, that his swing contains flaws in balance and mechanics, and that he needs at least 500 plate appearances of seasoning in the minor leagues to give him a chance at becoming a productive major league hitter.
which would suck, because he's probably not going to get those 500 at bats, ever, at least not while he's holding his own in a major league rotation.
― and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Monday, 12 March 2018 16:44 (six years ago) link
Ichiro had a lot of doubters too, though at the same time there are no scouts saying about Otani what was said by at least one major scout about Ichiro (he'd hit .300 every year, vie for batting titles, win a gold glove or two.)
― omar little, Monday, 12 March 2018 16:59 (six years ago) link
afaik no scouts are saying anything similar about Otani's bat, i mean
are there rules that prevent him from hitting in the minors on his off days?
― k3vin k., Monday, 12 March 2018 21:02 (six years ago) link
i would not have paid any heed to that story if it wasn't by Jeff Passan, who's fairly reputable i think
those scouts could be wrong of course
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 March 2018 21:07 (six years ago) link
xposti don't think so, other than burning up an option year? seems like the main obstacle would just be the logical nightmare of flying him back and forth across the country at a rate higher than his teammates, as he's already trying to pull double-duty learning pitching and hitting. or i might be wrong, maybe there's a rule that prevents shuttling back from the majors/minors too frequently?
― Karl Malone, Monday, 12 March 2018 21:09 (six years ago) link
players sent to the minors have to stay there 10 days (exceptions for DH 26th men and replacing an injured player). and in any case i don't think they'd want their starter being away from the team like that
― mookieproof, Monday, 12 March 2018 21:11 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/ymfE628.jpg
― mookieproof, Friday, 16 March 2018 20:57 (six years ago) link
on the plus side i bet his xFIP is pretty good for that game
― Karl Malone, Friday, 16 March 2018 20:59 (six years ago) link
His first inning was fantastic tbqf.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 16 March 2018 21:14 (six years ago) link
lol
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 16 March 2018 21:15 (six years ago) link
EJ: Obviously the spring is a tiny sample size, but if you were the Angels would you start Ohtani in AAA or in the bigs?
Keith Law: Don’t care about spring stats, as you know. If he’s not able to figure out this delivery issue – I wrote he’s not repeating it and getting to his release point – before Opening Day, I might leave him in extended spring training to get some one-on-one work in controlled situations. I think sending him to Salt Lake is kind of a bad idea all around, other than that the Buzz’s ownership would be ecstatic.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 March 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link
So first mound appearance will be Sunday afternoon in Oakland.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 29 March 2018 19:17 (six years ago) link
batting 1.000
― mookieproof, Thursday, 29 March 2018 20:38 (six years ago) link
getting overpowered by a fastball and sneaking one thru is the new market inefficiency
― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 29 March 2018 23:43 (six years ago) link
dummies on LA sports radio were going off on Ohtani a couple weeks ago with hot takes about him not being ready.. wasn't sure why they were so mad. the dude signed for 3m and these dudes were having a meltdown like he signed for 150m.
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 29 March 2018 23:47 (six years ago) link
Pujols is on pace for 162 HRs.
wrong thread i know...
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 30 March 2018 00:30 (six years ago) link
Japanese two-way player Shohei Ohtani, who singled in his first at-bat in the majors on Thursday, was held out because the A's started a left-hander.
Is this gonna be SOP?
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 31 March 2018 07:33 (six years ago) link
1-2-3 inning to start his career
― k3vin k., Sunday, 1 April 2018 20:19 (six years ago) link
there's no one at the coliseum lol
only 35,000 people saw shohei ohtani's first MLB pitching appearance. and of those 35,000, only about 15,000 even knew who ohtani was. but the other 20,000 people all started their own band
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 1 April 2018 20:30 (six years ago) link
actually yeah it looks like less than 35,000
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 1 April 2018 20:31 (six years ago) link
second inning not going so well
― k3vin k., Sunday, 1 April 2018 20:40 (six years ago) link
$3M for a closer/pinch hitter is a pretty good deal, imho.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 1 April 2018 21:29 (six years ago) link
I think he showed he belongs in the rotation.
― Van Horn Street, Sunday, 1 April 2018 21:52 (six years ago) link
he's allowed 3 runs through 5 innings (all on a home run), struck out 6, walked 1, hit the high 90s with his fastball, struck someone out on an 88 mph changeup, and had wicked breaking pitches! not bad for a first major league start. he belongs in every single MLB rotation and would be the #1 starter on a fair amount of them.
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 1 April 2018 22:04 (six years ago) link
there's no way his arm could take being in the rotation for every team
― challops trap house (Will M.), Sunday, 1 April 2018 22:47 (six years ago) link
Phrasing. pic.twitter.com/0nhaHxOM9i— Adam (@RonSwansonTrio) April 1, 2018
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 1 April 2018 23:18 (six years ago) link
Will, what do you mean? I think all teams are leaning toward having their ace pitch 180-200 innings, the other starters 160 and under. It's just evolving that way. (Some historically low number threw 162 last year.)
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 April 2018 01:48 (six years ago) link
he means literally pitching for every single team
― mookieproof, Monday, 2 April 2018 02:01 (six years ago) link
ah the ol' online humor mistranslator!
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 April 2018 11:07 (six years ago) link