the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

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a golden shower

Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Monday, 5 March 2018 14:47 (six years ago) link

100/1 with Ladbrokes and Paddy power, shit I'm unwittingly turning into Ray Winstone here.

― calzino, Monday

Oh yea saw that now - was looking in wrong list, PM list, not Tory boss list

anvil, Monday, 5 March 2018 14:54 (six years ago) link

Would've thought Rudd would have to win back several thousand of her own constituents first. Not as much of an issue for the usual suspects right now except Boris maybe.

This is true; it’s also true that they will move her to another seat (read somewhere last week that her team are looking for one). If there’s a GE, you would expect them to put her in some safe shire seat that becomes available. Similarly to Ruth Davidson, if she chooses to come south they’ll find a seat for her.

gyac, Monday, 5 March 2018 17:06 (six years ago) link

UK electorate is not going to vote for yet another Dolores Umbridge

imago, Monday, 5 March 2018 17:31 (six years ago) link

I guess Davidson isn't quite the horrible schoolmarm. Hard to pin down what she is. Debate Club bloodhound

imago, Monday, 5 March 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link

She’s a lot more palatable to swing voters than many of the options. They don’t have a unity candidate that exists, so it’s a case of MPs voting to keep their least preferred options out of the final two. Davidson and Rudd, incidentally, are both hugely unpopular with the membership - see the CH members’ polls: https://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2018/03/no-change-in-our-next-tory-leader-survey-rees-mogg-is-top-then-gove-then-johnson.html

gyac, Monday, 5 March 2018 18:02 (six years ago) link

If Davidson came south to find a safe Tory seat then that would be the end of her, credibility-wise. Can't really see her fitting in in Penge or somewhere.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Monday, 5 March 2018 18:27 (six years ago) link

penge is labour anyway

mark s, Monday, 5 March 2018 18:29 (six years ago) link

I think there's a safe Scottish seat in Dumfries.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Monday, 5 March 2018 18:33 (six years ago) link

I wonder how many ppl will be voting for their next leader, they've been very coy about their membership size for the last 5 years. Brandon Lewis was claiming is was impossible to count their numbers because it is handled by various local associations, lol!

calzino, Monday, 5 March 2018 18:33 (six years ago) link

Davidson's not listed in that CH poll, (not that I think she'd roar to the front or anything, but I can't imagine her placing below 10%)

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 5 March 2018 18:38 (six years ago) link

She's not a Tory MP, that's why.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Monday, 5 March 2018 18:41 (six years ago) link

does she have to be?

(technically from a tory rules POV i mean, politically i assume it would be tricky: alec douglas hume wasn't an MP tho he was of course in the lords)

mark s, Monday, 5 March 2018 18:45 (six years ago) link

Tugendhat at 40/1 would be my bet.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Monday, 5 March 2018 18:46 (six years ago) link

A very popular politician...

She was encouraged by the Scottish Conservative Party's Director of Media Ramsay Jones[11] to join the party and stand for the House of Commons seat of Glasgow North East at the 2009 by-election, which was triggered by the resignation of Labour MP and Speaker of the House, Michael Martin. She finished in third place, with 1,075 votes and a 5.2% share of the vote; losing to Labour's candidate, Willie Bain.

She tried again unsuccessfully in the same constituency at the 2010 general election the following year, where she finished in fourth place with 1,569 votes and a 5.3% share of the vote.[12][13]

Then after coming a distant fourth in Glasgow Kelvin, Davidson was elected to the Scottish Parliament on the Glasgow region list.[20] After the election, she was appointed by Goldie as the Conservative spokesperson for Culture, Europe and External Relations.[4]

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Monday, 5 March 2018 18:54 (six years ago) link

Goldie?

Mark G, Monday, 5 March 2018 18:55 (six years ago) link

lol!

Heavy Messages (jed_), Monday, 5 March 2018 18:55 (six years ago) link

The Blue Peter dog, that's when the Tories in Scotland were having problems finding someone to lead the party.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Monday, 5 March 2018 18:56 (six years ago) link

Whew!

Mark G, Monday, 5 March 2018 18:57 (six years ago) link

Made worse by the fact that the dog had died 25 years earlier.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Monday, 5 March 2018 19:00 (six years ago) link

only good Tory

Under the influence of the Ranters (Noodle Vague), Monday, 5 March 2018 19:01 (six years ago) link

Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale is their only safe Scottish seat.

Tom Tugendhat is class of 2015, scandal-free and probably a lot more attractive to swing voters than many candidates more popular than the membership. However, you can imagine there’d be a lot of friction over anointing someone so new over names who’ve held Cabinet and ministerial positions. Sharivari’s not wrong about him - just not now, imo: https://www.conservativehome.com/highlights/2017/09/profile-tom-tugendhat-successful-insurgent-and-a-possible-future-tory-leader.html

From the same intake, James Cleverly is more popular with the party and with the membership, but I can’t see either of them getting to the final two, even with a split vote.

gyac, Monday, 5 March 2018 19:10 (six years ago) link

He seems like an almost sentient version of Dan Jarvis.

calzino, Monday, 5 March 2018 19:12 (six years ago) link

I'd already backed JRM at 10-1 last year, then put 20 on Thornberry at 50-1. Figured if JRM doesn't do a challenge and May lasts the distance and Corbyn cba in 2022...

anvil, Monday, 5 March 2018 19:22 (six years ago) link

Nor did he suffer the handicap of having been to Eton, which would have exposed him to the charge of being a toff. He was educated at St Paul’s School

imago, Monday, 5 March 2018 19:24 (six years ago) link

Devout Catholic but Islamic Studies graduate and went to fight in the Middle East. Can we have one fucking leader who isn't a fucking Crusader

imago, Monday, 5 March 2018 19:26 (six years ago) link

You guys are making me worry I've backed the wrong horsecunt

anvil, Monday, 5 March 2018 19:27 (six years ago) link

Having a PM who's a Catholic would be a first.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Monday, 5 March 2018 19:28 (six years ago) link

“He would be a much, much better candidate,” Rees-Mogg on Tuesday assured ConHome. “I’m a founder member of Tugmentum.”

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 5 March 2018 19:29 (six years ago) link

ok please that become a word

mark s, Monday, 5 March 2018 19:33 (six years ago) link

Xp, first since 2007 certainly.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Monday, 5 March 2018 19:33 (six years ago) link

Admittedly St Paul's graduates not being thought of as toffs is good news for some of us

imago, Monday, 5 March 2018 19:34 (six years ago) link

(digressive toff-adjacent info on alec douglas-home -- to spell him correctly this time -- and being a PM who's also a lord: House of Lords Reform )

mark s, Monday, 5 March 2018 19:41 (six years ago) link

(xxp) He wasn't a Catholic when he was PM, unless he was lying about when he became one... oh right, I see the flaw in that statement.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Monday, 5 March 2018 19:42 (six years ago) link

Mike Small

15 Things the Snow Taught Us:

1. Our food system is really fragile, broken, and dysfunctional on multiple levels. Some people have just realised this. We are Nine Meals from Anarchy. [http://neweconomics.org/2008/11/nine-meals-anarchy/]

2. People need a total immersive experience that affects everyone to come to their senses, to take a pause, to begin to notice.

3.There are things that are more fun than your phone.

4. Community isn’t dead and we long for more of it.

5. Some people are really selfish.

6. The rural world is different from the urban world.

7. Nature still exists.

8. Cities with a lot fewer cars would be much better places to live in.

9. People are quite annoying if you have to spend a lot of time with them.

10. The Zombie Apocalypse smells of Almond Milk.

11. Work isn’t everything.

12. Climate change isn’t something that will happen one day in the future.

13. Netflix isn’t as good as you thought.

14. We’re not in control of everything. We’re not really in control of anything.

15. We drink too much milk.

https://medium.com/@mik…/news-from-the-red-zone-ec1275807a4e

Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:23 (six years ago) link

3.There are things that are more fun than your phone.

10. The Zombie Apocalypse smells of Almond Milk.

13. Netflix isn’t as good as you thought.

lol what a cock

mark s, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:31 (six years ago) link

haha.

ok 1, 4, 12 & 14

Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:32 (six years ago) link

are good.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:32 (six years ago) link

fair tho did anyone think community WAS dead? (apart from mr "selfies are satan" here)

mark s, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:35 (six years ago) link

i take your point but he lost me at 3

Under the influence of the Ranters (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:36 (six years ago) link

xp

Under the influence of the Ranters (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:36 (six years ago) link

society is on a sled!

imago, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:37 (six years ago) link

but then a tween social media enabler kicked the sled over for views, and now society is back in the gutter

imago, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:38 (six years ago) link

the revolution will not be twee-revised

Under the influence of the Ranters (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:41 (six years ago) link

1. Our food system is really fragile, broken, and dysfunctional on multiple levels. Some people have just realised this. We are Nine Meals from Anarchy. [http://neweconomics.org/2008/11/nine-meals-anarchy/] - sounds not unreasonable

2. People need a total immersive experience that affects everyone to come to their senses, to take a pause, to begin to notice. - broad generalization but ok

3.There are things that are more fun than your phone. - subjective taste

4. Community isn’t dead and we long for more of it. - broadly agree but subjective generalization

5. Some people are really selfish. - maybe but so waht?

6. The rural world is different from the urban world. - idiot dichotomy

7. Nature still exists. - idiot use of "nature"

8. Cities with a lot fewer cars would be much better places to live in. - yeah but so what?

9. People are quite annoying if you have to spend a lot of time with them. - maybe if YOU have to spend a lot of time with them

10. The Zombie Apocalypse smells of Almond Milk. - fuck off zombies

11. Work isn’t everything. - this will come as a newsflash to millions of people doing shitty jobs that they hate

12. Climate change isn’t something that will happen one day in the future. - no shit

13. Netflix isn’t as good as you thought. - subjective opinion

14. We’re not in control of everything. We’re not really in control of anything. - vague philosophically subjective bullshit

15. We drink too much milk. - in your opinion, pal

Under the influence of the Ranters (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:45 (six years ago) link

I smell a poll

Google Atheist (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:47 (six years ago) link

community is shit and i want less

ogmor, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:50 (six years ago) link

more milk less community

mark s, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:51 (six years ago) link

Milk is bad not good.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 16:05 (six years ago) link


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