oh yeah forgot about him
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 21:46 (six years ago) link
MVP - harden, though I think davis and even curry could make a run at itDPOY - no real opinion on this one, almost want to give it to robersonRPY - only two acceptable choices here, I favor simmons6MOY - lou will made itMIP - oladipoCOY - casey will win, but I don't have a strong opinion
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 7 March 2018 22:01 (six years ago) link
roberson would probably have won it but seeing how bad they are w out him has upped his stock a ton. im not even sure who else is in the hunt?
gobert missed too much time prob. Jrue holiday has been on a tear but idkPg13? idk theyve been so badgiannis?brow?marcus smart or horford?durant had some traction to start the year but he's been on cruise control in 4th gear for a while now.
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 22:21 (six years ago) link
i stan for roberson but i think he will miss too many games this year to get the award.
― micah, Thursday, 8 March 2018 03:19 (six years ago) link
gobert should be on the dpoy list imo. dray is probs the frontrunner atm tho he has regresed across the board and gsw defence has been inconsistent
― micah, Thursday, 8 March 2018 03:20 (six years ago) link
i def have heard a lot of buzz around embiid for dpoy, seems early but whatcha gonna do he's a dang beast
― Clay, Thursday, 8 March 2018 03:26 (six years ago) link
draymond the gm is in full recruiting modehttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXzgUdMV4AEasPE.jpg
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Friday, 9 March 2018 00:08 (six years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Thursday, 15 March 2018 00:01 (six years ago) link
MVP - hardenDPOY - gobert? horford?ROY - mitchell6MOY - louMIP - dipoCOY - brother brad
― lag∞n, Thursday, 15 March 2018 00:16 (six years ago) link
i pretty much agree with the above but have no idea how DPOY shakes out and figure d'antoni has a shot at COY
― Clay, Thursday, 15 March 2018 00:47 (six years ago) link
or yeah casey forgot about casey
this is the ballot im sending in as a voting member of the press
mvp - kawhi leonarddpoy - deangelo russellroy - lonzo ball6moy - devin harris mip - lonzo ball (first rookie to ever win roy and mip)coy - erik spoelstra
― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Thursday, 15 March 2018 00:57 (six years ago) link
Very accurate but not enough spurs tbf
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Thursday, 15 March 2018 01:00 (six years ago) link
casey should be coy
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 15 March 2018 01:10 (six years ago) link
MVP - harden will take it tho i find his flopping ahorrent and would happily vote elsewhere
DPOY - gobert, i think 50 games is enoughROY - mitchell (i hope)6MOY - louMIP - dipoCOY - casey, though he will be exposed again in the playoffs
― micah, Thursday, 15 March 2018 02:08 (six years ago) link
Kinda hearing some mcmillan talk for coy, not like he should be #1 but may be worth a few top 3 votes. He’s def surprised me.
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Thursday, 15 March 2018 02:18 (six years ago) link
yeah he changed his style along with the times, impressive for sure
― lag∞n, Thursday, 15 March 2018 02:22 (six years ago) link
i think the pacers team talent is being used about as well as you could hope for yeah
― micah, Thursday, 15 March 2018 02:56 (six years ago) link
I voted Harden MVP. He's been a bridesmaid several times now and set himself up to win this time. Brow ought to pick up a few votes from Harden haters. LeBron will get his votes from his devotees, but... (shrug) nah.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 15 March 2018 04:30 (six years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Friday, 16 March 2018 00:01 (six years ago) link
seems pretty conclusive
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 16 March 2018 00:02 (six years ago) link
hah
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Friday, 16 March 2018 00:05 (six years ago) link
nobody mentioned my DPOY pick, a fella named Kevin
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 16 March 2018 00:06 (six years ago) link
durant? (mentioned by me upthread if so)
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Friday, 16 March 2018 00:08 (six years ago) link
wow the hivemind truly rules ilh
― Clay, Friday, 16 March 2018 00:09 (six years ago) link
oh yes there it is
i feel that he's been better than draymond by quite a bit
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 16 March 2018 00:10 (six years ago) link
he was for a while but they kinda reversed about halfway through imo. KD been a little more lax and dray's turned it up.
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Friday, 16 March 2018 00:14 (six years ago) link
MVP - LaMarcus Aldridge and Kawhi Leonard (tie 1st)DPOY - Kyle Anderson6th - Manu GinobiliCOY - Gregg PopovichMIP - Dejounte MurrayROY - Derrick White
― spursfan69, Friday, 16 March 2018 00:16 (six years ago) link
kyle anderson is a steals maniac, good shot blocker too. wonder what kind of defensive numbers he would put up if he played starter minutes.
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Friday, 16 March 2018 00:18 (six years ago) link
kyle has started 54 of the 60 games he's played fyi
― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Friday, 16 March 2018 00:20 (six years ago) link
didnt realize he was playing 27 minutes a game this season. cool
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Friday, 16 March 2018 01:17 (six years ago) link
well, when kawhi and rudy have both been out, their SF slot has been pretty thin. he even occasionally starts at PF with 3 Gs
― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Friday, 16 March 2018 02:07 (six years ago) link
a guy who should get 6MOY votes but might not: nick vanvleet
was thinking today about how guys like macmillan and scotty brooks don't get the COY buzz mainly because of their bad reputations lol
― k3vin k., Friday, 16 March 2018 02:57 (six years ago) link
lol fred* vanvleet
Franks been awesome
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Friday, 16 March 2018 03:01 (six years ago) link
van vleet should be in the 6man running altho i don't think he has the raw stats for it. he plays in crunch time for the 3rd best team in the league and that should count.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 16 March 2018 03:08 (six years ago) link
dpoy
Draymond Green. Defense. Good. pic.twitter.com/GOD4bNqjU2— Drew Shiller (@DrewShiller) March 17, 2018
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Sunday, 18 March 2018 06:25 (six years ago) link
James Harden doesn’t want any DNP-rest nights down the stretch of the regular season. “I’m good, I wanna play,” Harden said.— Tim MacMahon (@espn_macmahon) March 23, 2018
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Friday, 23 March 2018 03:20 (six years ago) link
fwiw harden is known for wanting to play
― lag∞n, Friday, 23 March 2018 05:27 (six years ago) link
also known for whining about not winning mvp
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Friday, 23 March 2018 05:55 (six years ago) link
yeah i mean im not saying he doesnt want it
― lag∞n, Friday, 23 March 2018 06:01 (six years ago) link
just think maybe he should be focused on not breaking down in the playoffs again.
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Friday, 23 March 2018 06:04 (six years ago) link
wld be wise for sure
― lag∞n, Friday, 23 March 2018 06:05 (six years ago) link
not like he cldnt take a game or two off and still win it too
― lag∞n, Friday, 23 March 2018 06:06 (six years ago) link
they've got a pretty easy schedule it would be dumb not to sit him against some of those teams
― Clay, Friday, 23 March 2018 06:07 (six years ago) link
also got home court wrapped m/l
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Friday, 23 March 2018 06:08 (six years ago) link
https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/mvp.html
interesting that the MVP tracker tool on bkref has cp3 and steph 2 and 3 despite all the time they've missed
― k3vin k., Monday, 26 March 2018 02:32 (six years ago) link
stephs advanced numbers this year were on par with his unanimous mvp year. dude is shooting nearly 60% from 2p
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Monday, 26 March 2018 04:15 (six years ago) link
DPOY and all defense thoughts from pelton:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23032582/2018-nba-all-defense-defensive-player-year-best-picks-position
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Thursday, 5 April 2018 19:23 (six years ago) link
awww i hope dejounte gets chosen!
― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Friday, 6 April 2018 00:27 (six years ago) link
there's this guy who's clearly the superior player on both offense and defense, but let's vote for the inefficient high volume scorer on a dominant defensive team
― k3vin k., Monday, 9 April 2018 19:30 (six years ago) link
wuut mitchell has been absolutely amazing the leading scorer on a team thats won like 30 of 34 or something its crazy, wldnt be surprised if simmons wins tho as philly has gone on a run of their own w embiid out and he obvs has the higher ceiling, theyve both had in some ways unpresidented seasons, in most years what tatums done wld be enough to win it and no ones even talking abt him, fwiw its morally and logically correct to dock simmons points for red shirting
― lag∞n, Monday, 9 April 2018 19:36 (six years ago) link
simmons has prob caught up to how he wld be playing if he played last year at this point
― lag∞n, Monday, 9 April 2018 19:52 (six years ago) link
it’s true mitchell has been the leading scorer on a really good team whose biggest strength is their defense, this was essentially the argument for d rose iirc — but simmons has just clearly been better. I’m not a huge fan of the “imagine if these two players switched teams” voting tactic because so much of production is situation dependent, but I mean if these two switched teams I think it’s pretty clear that the sixers would suffer more
pretty much all the stats suggest mitchell is a...nice 21 year old player while simmons is a legit star btw
― k3vin k., Monday, 9 April 2018 19:56 (six years ago) link
i'd prob vote simmons but that's an undersell of mitchell. if he gets to the line a bit more and gets a little more accurate from 3 he's going to be as good at scoring as any guard in the nba outside the top 4 or so.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 9 April 2018 19:59 (six years ago) link
in general and in conjunction with the point I was making about jokic in the reg season thread earlier we are just not very great at using the eye test to weight different basketball skills in assessing a players overall value, players who get buckets are always going to be overvalued and people who do little things and play defense are always going to be relatively undervalued. I think the eye test happens to support simmons anyway and the stats suggest it's not close but things like he's the leading scorer on a good team that sound so intuitively right are hard to people to shake loose
― k3vin k., Monday, 9 April 2018 20:03 (six years ago) link
mitchell def has the potential to be a star, tho tbh simmons is already there and his ceiling seems to be MVP candidate and in the not too distant future, anyway the discussion is about this year and simmons is the better player
― k3vin k., Monday, 9 April 2018 20:04 (six years ago) link
creating shots is the single most valuable nba skill u need to put those old musty nerd opinions in storage
― lag∞n, Monday, 9 April 2018 20:07 (six years ago) link
I agree it's important but being better at it does not mean the player is necessarily better, hence my point about weighting and how we are bad at it
― k3vin k., Monday, 9 April 2018 20:10 (six years ago) link
hitting home runs is the best thing a baseball player can do but it does not necessarily mean that the guy who hits the most home runs is the best player or even the best hitter, makes u think
― k3vin k., Monday, 9 April 2018 20:12 (six years ago) link
none of this is to say mitchell hasn't had a sick year, he has, but simmons is way better and we should give the award to the better dude imo
― k3vin k., Monday, 9 April 2018 20:16 (six years ago) link
i agree that hes been better and will prob win but i think mitchell has been great and also i think simmons shd be disqualified for redshirting
― lag∞n, Monday, 9 April 2018 20:24 (six years ago) link
this breakdown of defensive positional guarding percentages is super cool: https://public.tableau.com/profile/knarsu3#!/vizhome/DefensivePositions/Dashboard1
Check out Ben Simmons
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Monday, 9 April 2018 20:34 (six years ago) link
ha yeah pretty evenly distributed as you might expect
― k3vin k., Monday, 9 April 2018 20:38 (six years ago) link
lowe's opinionshttp://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23107445/zach-lowe-2017-18-picks-nba-mvp-defensive-player-year-rookie-year-more-awards
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 16:28 (six years ago) link
hard to argue with any of those picks, tho I’m agnostic on coach of the year
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 11 April 2018 17:27 (six years ago) link
I’m more and more convinced that an MVP vote for lebron is basically indefensible.
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 11 April 2018 17:28 (six years ago) link
lowe’s love of raw plus-minus stats but not adjusted plus-minus stats bugs me tho lol
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 11 April 2018 17:55 (six years ago) link
i'm disinclined to reward any of the coaches that ended up in the 3-8 western conference mess with a CoY vote.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 17:58 (six years ago) link
I just don’t think we know enough about coaching value and voting on it is silly
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 11 April 2018 18:03 (six years ago) link
Golliver's povhttps://www.si.com/nba/2018/04/11/2017-18-nba-awards-cavaliers-rockets-lebron-james-harden-ben-simmons
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 18:29 (six years ago) link
most of these awards are dumb but COY seems the dumbest behind MIP
My defense of a lebron vote would be solely that he is still great and it would be a make up award for some previous years
I wouldn’t actually vote for him though with harden existing this year
― gis for westbrook shark jump (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 18:31 (six years ago) link
Having to completely remake lebrons custom built team around him midstream is also a serious strike against any real mvp candidacy too as lowe goes into extensively
― gis for westbrook shark jump (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 18:35 (six years ago) link
he was prob the worst defender in the league this year
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 19:54 (six years ago) link
Aw cmon that’s not true
He was the worst defender in the league for like six weeks tops
― gis for westbrook shark jump (agent hibachi), Wednesday, 11 April 2018 19:58 (six years ago) link
i understand conserving yr energy but i feel like he cldve balanced it a lil better between offense and defense
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 April 2018 19:59 (six years ago) link
he def wasn't the worst, he's about average over 82 games a this point probably tho def very good when he dials it in
― k3vin k., Thursday, 12 April 2018 01:06 (six years ago) link
dialed it in for prob 10mins this season the rest he took off he was really exceptionally bad, its not a coincidence the cavs were also insanely bad
― lag∞n, Thursday, 12 April 2018 02:43 (six years ago) link
yeah we are in general agreement that his defense is not great overall
― k3vin k., Thursday, 12 April 2018 03:03 (six years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/09/sports/nba-dwane-casey-raptors-coach-of-the-year.html
In a vote of his peers, Dwane Casey of the Toronto Raptors has been selected as the National Basketball Coaches Association’s coach of the year for the 2017-18 season — while Brad Stevens of the Boston Celtics stunningly failed to win a single vote from fellow coaches.
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 20:32 (six years ago) link
Perfect timing
― while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 20:42 (six years ago) link
lol i knew it
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 21:09 (six years ago) link
oh wait thats the peer award still i think the real one will have the same outcome
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 21:10 (six years ago) link
very weird
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 9 May 2018 23:29 (six years ago) link
2018 NBA All-Defensive teams:First team: Rudy Gobert, Anthony Davis, Victor Oladipo, Jrue Holiday, Robert Covington.Second team: Joel Embiid, Draymond Green, Al Horford, Dejounte Murray, Jimmy Butler.— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) May 23, 2018
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 19:40 (five years ago) link
huh, dipo?
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 23 May 2018 20:29 (five years ago) link
heard rumblings of his defense being amazing this year. covington over draymond seems a little suspect to me. but fair enough, he deserves a lot of credit and dray was cruising at 80% all year.
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Wednesday, 23 May 2018 20:53 (five years ago) link
almost surprised roberson didn't make it even tho he only played 35 games or so
― Clay, Wednesday, 23 May 2018 23:58 (five years ago) link
dejounte!!!
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Thursday, 24 May 2018 01:09 (five years ago) link
al shdve been first team
― sprout god (lag∞n), Thursday, 24 May 2018 01:17 (five years ago) link
ALL NBAhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dd-zN6-VMAAjELY.jpg
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Thursday, 24 May 2018 18:18 (five years ago) link
Lillard first team O__o
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Thursday, 24 May 2018 18:19 (five years ago) link
these, wld not be my lists lol
― sprout god (lag∞n), Thursday, 24 May 2018 18:28 (five years ago) link
mine wld just be 15 marcus smarts
― sprout god (lag∞n), Thursday, 24 May 2018 18:29 (five years ago) link
On the bright side, we don’t have to hear about Dame not getting any respect ever again.— A.K ⚖️ (@Kungu_NBA) May 24, 2018
― they call me melo gelo (Spottie), Thursday, 24 May 2018 18:29 (five years ago) link
don't understand how KAT could make it after the year he's had.
who's out here voting for TREVOR ARIZA for all-nba?
― 808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Friday, 25 May 2018 12:49 (five years ago) link