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tomato, tomato, potato, fascism, let's call the whole thing off

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Monday, 12 March 2018 23:16 (six years ago) link

That’s where I live and work; I was out of town last week but followed along on Twitter. Some small number of nazis met up with 500+ protestors, only about 10 people made it into his talk and like half of those were journalists. And all this happened on the first day of spring break in a cow barn in the middle of nowhere.

His meeting / conference scheduled for the previous day in the Detroit burbs never happened as the venues cancelled when they figured out who had made the reservations, antifa folks were tailing them around and hassling them while they were awaiting directions and one Nazi got arrested for pulling a gun on someone.

Was kind of bummed about moving back to Michigan last year but pleased if this is the thing that shuts down this aspect of his bullshit.

joygoat, Monday, 12 March 2018 23:51 (six years ago) link

God, Jordan Peterson has come to Denmark. His podcast is apparently popular.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 01:06 (six years ago) link

The Heimbach story is something else.

I want to change my display name (dan m), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 02:25 (six years ago) link

ohohoho what that TPM story doesn't say is

Matt Heimbach, leader of the neo-nazi Traditionalist Worker Party, was arrested after police say he assaulted his wife, Brooke. Brooke's father-in-law, Matt Parrott, discovered Heimbach having an affair with his wife, Jessica Parrott, before the incident. https://t.co/88UBEh2FXg

— Unicorn Riot (@UR_Ninja) March 14, 2018

Matt Parrott was also Heimbach's second-in-command in the Traditionalist Worker Party, acting as a media spokesman and systems administrator. He has since taken the neo-nazi group's website, which he had been running, offline. https://t.co/88UBEh2FXg pic.twitter.com/kAh8YWWRbh

— Unicorn Riot (@UR_Ninja) March 14, 2018

I want to change my display name (dan m), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 03:34 (six years ago) link

Cucks, all?

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 04:08 (six years ago) link

Whomst is the check?

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 04:08 (six years ago) link

Wasn't this the guy who got a tongue-bath profile in the New York Times earlier this year?

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 11:49 (six years ago) link

who supremes the supremacists

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 15:04 (six years ago) link

ok how the fuck is Jessica Parrot a real name?

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 15:07 (six years ago) link

The arrest followed a bizarre sequence of events stemming from an extramarital affair Heimbach was conducting with his wife’s step-mother-in-law, according to the police report.

The white nationalist leader is married to the step-daughter of Matt Parrott, the Traditionalist Worker Party’s chief spokesman. Per the police report, Heimbach attacked both Parrott and his own wife, Brooke Heimbach, after the pair confronted Matthew Heimbach about an affair he was carrying out with Matt Parrott’s wife, Jessica.

The group all live in the same trailer park compound in rural Paoli, Indiana, where the Traditionalist Worker Party is based. In statements to the police, all four listed their professions as “white nationalists.”

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/matthew-heimbach-police-report-domestic-battery-affair

maura, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 15:16 (six years ago) link

better days https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/10/us/alt-right-national-socialist-movement-white-supremacy.html

that poor kid

maura, Wednesday, 14 March 2018 15:21 (six years ago) link

Thread on the possible evolution of alt-right/fash groups in the wake of recent failures:

I hope I’m not boring anyone with this Generation Identity nonsense, I believe it’s coming our way, and regardless of its impact we should study the games crypto-fascist movements play. https://t.co/cVoR1ewIJY

— zerf 🐑🐑🐑 herder (@hfricken) March 12, 2018

I want to change my display name (dan m), Thursday, 15 March 2018 00:09 (six years ago) link

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/10/opinion/sunday/youtube-politics-radical.html

this sorta seems relevant

― gbx

i installed a plugin to keep youtube from recommending videos to me years ago. it kept recommending me white supremacist videos whenever i would watch classical music videos or video game speedruns.

i think the world would be well-served if governments would install a plugin to keep youtube from recommending videos to their citizens.

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Thursday, 15 March 2018 00:18 (six years ago) link

i know that's proto-fascist of me but i am just so fed up today with human beings' utter inability to think critically that i'm trying to have all ideas banned. (yesterday i was trying to have time outlawed.)

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Thursday, 15 March 2018 00:20 (six years ago) link

it kept recommending me white supremacist videos whenever i would watch classical music videos or video game speedruns.

lmao what else were you watching

flappy bird, Thursday, 15 March 2018 04:30 (six years ago) link

The group all live in the same trailer park compound in rural Paoli, Indiana, where the Traditionalist Worker Party is based. In statements to the police, all four listed their professions as “white nationalists.”

trenchant commentary bait if ever there was

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 15 March 2018 04:34 (six years ago) link

lmao what else were you watching

One way to get those into your recommended feed is to watch videos debunking/calling to action against white nationalism. This happened to me with MRAs - watch a couple of videos by feminist YouTubers and suddenly your recommendation feed is nothing but "this man DEMOLISHES feminism with flawless logic".

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 15 March 2018 09:09 (six years ago) link

they all started popping up in mine after i google "toilet seat"

the clodding of the american mind (darraghmac), Thursday, 15 March 2018 09:56 (six years ago) link

Zeynep Tufekci wrote about this in the Times last week.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/10/opinion/sunday/youtube-politics-radical.html

maura, Thursday, 15 March 2018 11:26 (six years ago) link

Whoops sorry about the double post.

But yeah YouTube recommendations are a tire fire. I nix any that aren't hard rock or R&B videos because I get enough crazy conspiracy mongering from the comments section of the one gossip blog I read. (Those people are still banging on about The St*rm—they think that Trump's bungling is actually a front to take down a worldwide network of sexual predators. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so fucking depressingly frightening.)

maura, Thursday, 15 March 2018 11:28 (six years ago) link

Thousands of sealed indictments! Millions of them!

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 15 March 2018 11:36 (six years ago) link

maura's last sentence covers the whole state of "ideas" on the internet in 2018

as the crows around me grows (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 15 March 2018 11:37 (six years ago) link

it kept recommending me white supremacist videos whenever i would watch classical music videos or video game speedruns.

lmao what else were you watching

"Wagner, Max, Wagner - so I know what he's really tryin' to tell me very significantly. Wagner."

One way to get those into your recommended feed is to watch videos debunking/calling to action against white nationalism. This happened to me with MRAs - watch a couple of videos by feminist YouTubers and suddenly your recommendation feed is nothing but "this man DEMOLISHES feminism with flawless logic".

^^^^ this

papa don't take no meth (stevie), Thursday, 15 March 2018 11:41 (six years ago) link

Any clip from a mafia movie or tv show of any reasonable quality has alt-right creeps j'ing each other off in the comments as well.

Three Word Username, Thursday, 15 March 2018 12:01 (six years ago) link

Surprise, these guys are all horrible creeps

https://www.thedailybeast.com/alt-right-youtuber-accused-of-luring-autistic-teen-in-pregnancy-plot?ref=home

Simon H., Thursday, 15 March 2018 13:13 (six years ago) link

Will Sommer’s been doing good work tracking these guys.
Things got weirder when Reddit banned the Qanon subreddit.

The QAnon voice chat is all middle-aged people trying to figure out "how to use memes." Says one: "I STILL can't find the memes."

— Will Sommer (@willsommer) March 14, 2018

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 16 March 2018 14:35 (six years ago) link

oh god a qanon-themed voice chat? that sounds like literal hell

in conclusion, it is good to peel the sheeps (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 16 March 2018 14:36 (six years ago) link

I, too, STILL can't find the memes.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 16 March 2018 14:59 (six years ago) link

Will Sommer is a hero, that's for sure.

maura, Friday, 16 March 2018 15:00 (six years ago) link

thats v good

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 16 March 2018 19:01 (six years ago) link

Nathan Robinson wrote a mocking the guy pretty hard so Jordan P naturally posted a freakout thread about it:

Very critical article by @NathanJRobinson of my work (including Maps of Meaning) in Current Affairs (https://t.co/AVpRVDs43A) is accompanied most hilariously by this ad... pic.twitter.com/4Ly0pdW25S

— Jordan B Peterson (@jordanbpeterson) March 16, 2018

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 16 March 2018 23:34 (six years ago) link

A mocking post, rather

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 16 March 2018 23:34 (six years ago) link

Nathan J Robinson presumably ready and waiting for the attack dogs

imago, Friday, 16 March 2018 23:36 (six years ago) link

maybe he becomes a cult figure too, the Adversary

imago, Friday, 16 March 2018 23:36 (six years ago) link

Paoli, Indiana is the middle of nowhere. It's a nice little farm town that has a town center out of Mayberry, mostly known for a place where you can ski (believe it or not). It's about 1/2 way between Bloomington and Louisville. I'd figure it has to be pretty tore up by heroin probably like much of this area of the country.

earlnash, Friday, 16 March 2018 23:50 (six years ago) link

Says one: "I STILL can't find the memes."

— Will Sommer (@willsommer) March 14, 2018

thereby instantly transforming himself into a meme

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Friday, 16 March 2018 23:52 (six years ago) link

Paoli, Indiana is the middle of nowhere. It's a nice little farm town that has a town center out of Mayberry, mostly known for a place where you can ski (believe it or not). It's about 1/2 way between Bloomington and Louisville. I'd figure it has to be pretty tore up by heroin probably like much of this area of the country.

― earlnash

however, it's hard to confirm this because of the difficulty of finding anybody who would willingly travel to small-town indiana

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Friday, 16 March 2018 23:54 (six years ago) link

I frikkin love Nathan Robinson

gbx, Saturday, 17 March 2018 00:47 (six years ago) link

Yeah, the tweet from JP is hilarious in context. He clearly doesn't know what the book is.

Frederik B, Saturday, 17 March 2018 00:49 (six years ago) link

my fav part of the article is the list of JP quotes he just starts riffing on

NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Saturday, 17 March 2018 01:28 (six years ago) link

“There is no being without imperfection.” No shit.

“The future is the place of all potential monsters.” The future is the place for all potential everything.

“People do not care whether or not they succeed; they care about whether or not they fail.” Which is apparently different.

“People aren’t after happiness, they’re after not hurting.” I’m actually after happiness, thanks.

“You cannot be protected from the things that frighten you and hurt you, but if you identify with the part of your being that is responsible for transformation, then you are always the equal, or more than the equal of the things that frighten you.” Unless you are frightened of leopards, and are subsequently eaten by leopards.

NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Saturday, 17 March 2018 01:31 (six years ago) link

i totally havent been paying attention to JP, i forgot he was the toronto guy who was acting all shitty over trans ppl wanting to be called by their actual pronouns, hahaahaaaaa of course the alt right loves him

NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Saturday, 17 March 2018 01:39 (six years ago) link

however, it's hard to confirm this because of the difficulty of finding anybody who would willingly travel to small-town indiana

― ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Friday, March 16, 2018 7:54 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i like indiana...

flappy bird, Saturday, 17 March 2018 05:18 (six years ago) link

But here I am already giving Peterson’s work a more coherent summary than it actually deserves. And after all, if “many human stories have common moral lessons” was his point, he would have been saying something so obvious that nobody would think to credit it as a novel insight.

This was my takeaway from trying to read Nassim Taleb's book - who is not quite as deeply connected to the alt-right as Peterson but definitely adjacent

louise ck (milo z), Saturday, 17 March 2018 05:40 (six years ago) link

i like indiana...

― flappy bird

sorry, i'm an ex-hoosier as of last year, for a while i'll have the same opinions on indiana as a recent ex-catholic has on catholicism

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Saturday, 17 March 2018 14:04 (six years ago) link


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