the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

i can't even understand people on the left with this weird defensiveness about Putin and RT and the rest, "my enemy's enemy" taken to this insane paranoid bullshit mirror-image of the alt right level

Yeah, it's a real cause for concern. I mentioned previously on this thread that a lot of ppl my age who're naive w/ good leftist tendencies have fallen for RT's Brave Critics of the West shtick and are now p much indoctrinated (Sharivari I believe made the point that RT hasn't been overtly pro-Putin for a while and I certainly don't check it enough to deny that - but ppl who read a lot of it do seem to invariably come out of it with a "yay putin" mindset).

Re the recent Putin doc, if this does not put those segments of the hard left off him, I’m not sure what will:

Having watched the whole thing, can report that it is worth watching if only for Jack Straw saying that Blair and Putin got on well because they’re so similar. https://t.co/K1q2YzpEZT

— Will Davies (@davies_will) March 14, 2018

Delighted to say I don't know any pro-Putin idiots.

a - professor - friend of mine posted some stuff about Agent Orange during the Vietnam War like this was a serious counter-argument to mystery nerve gas attacks

ask them if george galloway has hacked their account.

I get the impulse to highlight atrocities committed by Our Guys because they're less in the public conciousness but when your reaction to any nasty shit not done by the USA/UK is to whataboutery you're no longer helping anything.

You'd think the fact that they're cheering for the same guy the alt-right cheers for would be some cause for reflection but nah.

maybe think of it in terms of nanostupidity eventually converting all thought into grey goo

I’m obviously deep in the rabbit hole but this stuff is so interesting and so wide-ranging in the areas it touches on, it’s dispiriting to see people in the pro and anti-Russia camps abandoning any intellectual curiosity about what is going on, and what anything means, in favour of cartoon preconceptions and regurgitating talking points.

"everything is terrible" is the correct default position

ppl need to watch more Zvyagintsev movies, I'm only being semi-facetious here because they might remind ppl that other countries are made up of ppl like them!

vile propaganda, everyone knows that furriners are disgusting savages who would stab their granny for the chance to eat an english baby

lol I took my mother to Russia last year and one of her main takeaways was ‘the people are so normal!’.

Sting was right then?

yes, the lute is an unjustly overlooked instrument in the rock canon

I’m obviously deep in the rabbit hole but this stuff is so interesting and so wide-ranging in the areas it touches on, it’s dispiriting to see people in the pro and anti-Russia camps abandoning any intellectual curiosity about what is going on, and what anything means, in favour of cartoon preconceptions and regurgitating talking points.

this, basically. but it's very, very, very dispiriting.

I know a few derp hippies who are vehement conspiracy theorists and they’re all very ‘happy’ until someone says they’re wrong, at which point they start throwing around personal abuse between fake newsings and false flaggings. And yes, they’re all white....

here's looking forward to two sequels to Ready Player One, Ready Player One: Tron and Ready Player One: do you remember the 1980s?

doh wrong thread sorry

I think the combination of fanfic narratives and eighties nostalgia is still pretty on-topic tbf.

ha, otm

yeah i was gonna say earlier this whole "my Russia right or wrong" thing has an 80s throwback vibe

I know a few derp hippies who are vehement conspiracy theorists and they’re all very ‘happy’ until someone says they’re wrong, at which point they start throwing around personal abuse between fake newsings and false flaggings

lol this reminds me of a Krishna consciousness type dude who got very uncool very quickly with me and a friend one day when we turned down his pamphlet

What do you think about this from Craig Murray?

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/russian-to-judgement

Oh no, not Craig Murray now.

― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Wednesday, 14 March 2018 08:30 (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

can't trust intelligence services = yeah sure
something something Establishment trying to get Donald Trump = oh god i just don't care any more

I think Rod Hull was done in by the MFI!

I was having a conversation with a highfalutin general practitioner type about this last week and she started going on about the British secret services assassinating princess Di.

and yet fergie still lives, wtf

you can't fuck with members of The Black Hand Eyed Peas!

Up Against the Wall Toesucker

lobby journos shitting the bed again is it

state of this

Motion being scrambled by Labour MPs to back PMs view that Russia definitely culpable - taking v different line to Corbyn pic.twitter.com/XdfmkiGtCK

— Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) March 14, 2018

Has May said, unequivocally, that Russia is responsible - or just that it's "highly likely" and they have failed to respond to queries on it?

I don't think she has, Wes Streeting has though, one in the eye for Mr. Putin.

He's not to be messed with. He can pull a few strings and the McDonald's in Red Square will be history.

love too not learn the lesson from prosecuting punchy foreign policy on a dodgy prospectus

seumas milne expertly boiling some piss this afternoon

Just reminded of this classic:

https://t.co/ye0TUqrHq8 pic.twitter.com/kfnelAvh3F

— Dan Howdon (@danielhowdon) March 14, 2018

piss boiling watch: macron has escalated the situation by agreeing with JC

did we ever get piss sautéed

How could Macron let Fred down so cruelly?

Yeah, such a disappointment from that stalwart of the left, lol.

Any remote chance of Lossl or Zanka starting any games in the World Cup, Fred? I might have to adopt Denmark this year.

I have no idea. At some point I should figure out who the other players are who aren't Christian Eriksen...

What do people think - has Corbyn fucked it? Lots of shouting about his statement today, but then the Tories love a chance to talk tough on national security.

medium term i doubt it: mainly bcz -- as usual -- i think the govt's paths forward are much muddier than the shouty ppl seem to have recognised

as sure as eggs is eggs Chuka, Wes and Stella and chums would consider voting down a Corbyn "Free Oxygen Act" and they are so often on the wrong side of the argument. I can't see any good coming from the escalating tough talk and tit for tat sanctions. I think it will end up damaging May in the long run. But I bet The S*n is loving it right now though.

Well I personally am convinced the Government has a foolproof strategy to deal with Russia pic.twitter.com/CfMh4dpUgF

— Alistair (@acrgx_) March 15, 2018

extremely good country

on friday march 29 next year we're gonna get annexed by russia while the remainder of the eu points at us and does the nelson laugh

god, the nation run by corrupt plutocrats with no regard for human rights, what a chilling vision of the future