worst shithole of a major american city

hard h shithole is a shibboleth

I knew something was off with the poor KC showing, and I was right - I had not adjusted the density calculation for its historical footprint as I had done with Louisville, e.g. Reworking the figures places KC just behind STL in the overall ranking (roughly 20th place), and ahead of it, just behind Detroit (and Silicon Valley), in the age-agnostic one. That is, it's firmly in place with the traditional cities that still rank ahead of the bigger Atlantas, Dallas/Houstons, and Phoenixes.

The only large core cities that are still losing people are almost entirely contained within the rust belt.

I left Minneapolis in 1995. Figured I had accidentally started a trend.

Plugging in the Canadian cities, not entirely apples to apples but I think close enough, I rank Toronto and Montreal just behind Philly and ahead of LA. On an age-agnostic ranking, LA beats MTL, but TO pulls ahead of both Philly and LA, while still trailing Boston/DC/SF etc. Vancouver ranks right behind the Twin Cities, just ahead of Seattle, but age-agnostic it pulls ahead of both, right behind Miami.

If we just give you this thread, would you concentrate the entirety of your ILX posting energies on further elaborations of your urban demographic model?

according to my own matrix - i won't bore you with the details of how this is worked out - vancouver, bc ranks slightly ahead of scranton pa, but somewhat behind vancouver wa and perpendicular to boise id. toronto and montreal are tied with sequim wa but slightly ahead of sioux city ia

well, that's not so surprising, vancouver is in the northeast while sioux city, being high on the windy steppe, has long attracted new residents from mongolia as well as the argentinian reaches of the altiplano.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altiplano
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa_Assessments
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_Passage

basic stuff can't believe i'm having to explain all this

making amendments to the matrix

I moved to Minneapolis in 1994, btw.

its not a major american city but i was watching the first episode of Flint Town on Netfix, their sad documentary series on Flint, Michigan and i flashed back to years ago when maria and i drove across the country and we were on the highway going by/passing Flint and i got an overwhelming feeling of danger/dread that i had never experienced before. i remember thinking in my head: oh jeez please don't break down please don't break down. like i really really wanted to get past the city exits as quickly as possible. i was afraid that if we broke down nobody would ever find us. or wolves would eat us? it was weird. i've driven through a lot of bad shit in eastern cities, nyc, philly, camden friggin' nj. never felt like that before or since.

just thought i'd share that here.

Flint - the R'lyeh of the USA.

Flint is among the two dozen or so that have declined under the 100K mark, along with other frequently-dismissed cities like Camden, Gary, Scranton, Trenton, and Youngstown, but I still rank it just ahead of Ann Arbor for urbanity

wow, that's crazy that trenton has less than 100k people. i always think of it as more populated. even my ailing neighbor springfield, ma has more people than that. they might not all be happy about it, but they are there.

worcester has an even bigger population than springfield. almost 200 thousand. little-known fact.

The Trenton metro area, which is coterminous with Mercer County, is much larger, 370K, but Trenton proper has been under 100K for the past four decades or so.

Worcester is a fascinating city. All of the advantages of the first half of the twentieth century, and all the disadvantages from the second half.

This fella would like a word with you about saying Ohio is the Northeast.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYYCl24X4AIiCP-.jpg

Yeah but Butler Co. is SW.

Layers upon layers, like cheese on chocolate on spaghetti.

Mmm chili mac

It's 100 miles from Columbus. That'd still be the same metro area in Texas.

Please to read again: "Northeast" was shorthand for "Northeast quadrant of the country" (for which I assume no visual aid is necessary). While I'm not sure the Western Reserve shouldn't be incorporated into a "Northeast" that the Feds officially extend to the Western NY/PA borders (and I'd tend to extend it below the Mason-Dixon to include DC), I wouldn't regard anything west of the Appalachians in those states as the Northeast.

tbf you also have previously located arkansas within the appalachians so i'm rolling with the assumption that all of this geography is loosely or indeed randomly assigned

And no one else has ever used "Northeast" as shorthand for "Northeast quadrant".

Please to read again: I wrote a post that referred to the "Northeast quadrant of the country" then subsequently used "Northeast" as a shorthand reference to same. I then edited the post without noticing that I had excised the former description. Thank you for your concern.

I grew up in Zone 17 but when my parents divorced my mom moved us into the Moot Realm. Still have family there.

salt lake city is a waking nightmare for the most part. it's a place that gaslights you for wanting to partake of things like "clean air" and "genuine culture"

streets are too wide for the chariots

Please to read again: I wrote a post that referred to the "Northeast quadrant of the country" then subsequently used "Northeast" as a shorthand reference to same. I then edited the post without noticing that I had excised the former description. Thank you for your concern.

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i too would like to thank ez snappin for his concern in a very sincere manner. (also dude that earthless record is ill)

The top 75 US/CDN cities on my age-half-inclusive measure (of traditional urbanity?)...
NYC
Chicago
Boston
San Francisco
Washington, D.C.
Philadelphia
Toronto
Montreal
(Newark)
Los Angeles
Baltimore
(East Bay)
Minneapolis-St. Paul
Vancouver
Seattle
Orange County
Providence
Miami
Long Island
(Camden)
Detroit
New Haven
St. Louis
Kansas City
Pittsburgh
Cleveland
Denver
Milwaukee
Dallas
Portland
San Diego
Atlanta
Houston
(Wilmington)
San Jose-Silicon Valley
New Orleans
Buffalo
Hartford
Bridgeport-Stamford
Rochester
Sacramento
Cincinnati
Fort Lauderdale
Worcester
Columbus
Riverside-San Bernardino
Hampton Roads
Tampa Bay
Lehigh Valley
Louisville
Ventura County
Fort Worth
(Tacoma)
Honolulu
San Antonio
Grand Rapids
Phoenix
Las Vegas
Albany
(Reading)
Syracuse
Richmond
Austin
(Trenton)
Stockton
Charlotte
Omaha
Fresno
Springfield MA
Indianapolis
Salt Lake City
(Akron)
Orlando
Raleigh
Toledo
(Scranton)
Memphis
Albuquerque
Dayton
(Santa Rosa/Sonoma County)
El Paso

The top 50 on my age-agnostic measure (of big-city-ness less concerned with traditional urban form?)...
NYC
Chicago
Boston/Washington, D.C./San Francisco
Toronto
Los Angeles
Philadelphia
Montreal
Miami
Vancouver
Seattle
Baltimore
Twin Cities
Detroit
Kansas City
St. Louis
Pittsburgh/Dallas
San Diego
Sacramento
Houston/Portland
Denver
Cleveland
Milwaukee/Atlanta
Hartford
Tampa Bay
Las Vegas
Phoenix/Buffalo
Rochester
New Orleans
Hampton Roads
Honolulu
Cincinnati
Columbus
San Antonio
Louisville
Grand Rapids
Fresno
Austin
Charlotte
Albany
Orlando
Richmond
Syracuse
Raleigh
Salt Lake City
Springfield, MA
Albuquerque
Indianapolis

yes but which are shitholes

That is not my preferred nomenclature, dude.

sad that we'll never know

https://www.npr.org/2019/11/21/781703956/utah-woman-charged-with-lewdness-after-being-topless-in-her-own-home

“worst state” to be fair. it’s fuckin weird out here folks. west valley city is a gritty burb directly adjacent to salt lake city and is far from the worst shithole city here though. that would be somewhere completely cursed like vernal or nephi.

or price. carbon county has something like 44 opiate scrips per capita