the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

should be called US WS at times! But SV was saying the other day that their Russian branch is very good.

it's impartial if you assume that the current socioeconomic organization of the West is the natural order of things

does any other country have a World Service? It seems like if it wasn't already there you'd take it as a very arrogant concept.

Hollywood, maaaaan

In the face of a nerve gas attack on Danish soil, I would expect the parliament to show unity and good faith towards each other.

Yeah, this is probably the context you're missing - no one here in the UK is actually taking this like it was a terrorist attack (of which you may recall we've had several recently), it's some cloak & dagger shit that needs to be deal with and that the tories are grandstanding about w/o offering solutions. No hug session needed.

Who are even thinking about that possibility?

Seriously, when the chips are down? No one. But a lot of folks are certainly pretending to in order to gain public approval, and calling that out is important.

does any other country have a World Service? It seems like if it wasn't already there you'd take it as a very arrogant concept.

Germany does, DW - it's in English. I'm sure France at least probably has an equivalent too.

Who is pretending that Britain should invade Russia?

also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c51qJ3Ad_4

tories aren't averse to assassinating our own citizens on foreign soil, why all the fuss when russia does it

xxxp We had one, from just after WW2 till 2005, 2006-ish. It was mostly meant as something to be able to inform Dutch ppl around the world. They axed it reasoning everyone was or could be online to find news in 2005, which is reasonable imo. I've fond nostalgic memories for listening to the footie scores on short wave while on holiday in Spain, when I was wee.

In the face of a nerve gas attack on Danish soil, I would expect the parliament to show unity and good faith towards each other.

How naive can you be?

Who is pretending that Britain should invade Russia?

Chris Bryant, lol.

But seriously this is totally the subtext behind how the tories and press are handling it and the fact that no one comes out and says it in quite those terms - because, again, it will never happen - doesn't make it any less dangerous and disgusting.

Just to go back up (please note that as you get older you don't learn anything):

He screwed up the response. Went too much on the attack against government cuts, his spokesman insinuated that the government might be lying. And he is vulnerable on this subject, because his own opinions are nonsense: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/15/salisbury-attack-conflict-britain-cold-war (note there's nothing about government cuts in there, he knows that was a screwup)

When did Corbyn go on against government cuts on this particular issue?

Seumas was correct that the government might be lying. There is a substantial record of this happening.

he got heckled for bringing up the £800000 + Tory MP's have taken from Russian Oligarchs since 2016.

well that's just divisive at a time when our nation stands on the brink of destruction

sorry, our glorious nation

*lowers whip*

i'm going to enlist later, see if i can pass for 40

Thing is, Corbyn could hardly have wished for a better gift than the one given to him by Gavin Williamson yesterday, within five minutes of his speech he had thousands of people clowning on him and completely punctured the lol-statesmanlike approach the government was going for. It turned a tricky situation for Corbyn into one in which he looked like the voice of reason, even among people who wouldn't otherwise have been predisposed to agree. No wonder Tory MPs are reportedly furious with him.

Obviously the Tory grassroots will lap it up, which I'm sure was Gav's aim in the first place.

When did Corbyn go on against government cuts on this particular issue?

― xyzzzz__, 16. marts 2018 14:18 (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I posted the video upthread.

well fwiw Fred, according to BMJ stats austerity policies have been responsible for far more deaths (120 000+) which is much more domestic terrorism + Russian asymmetric warfare or whatever the fuck you want to call it added up together. So for me, he can go on about the cuts as much as often as possible please. My partner tried to top herself over cuts, last year - so it is a very serious matter.

Fucking hell Calz, I didn't know about that. Hope the situation has improved as much as can be expected with these fucks in power.

Right, just saw it now - what a mess Fred, the main thing ppl picked up initially was around Russian money making its way as donations to the Tory party.

The cuts to diplomatic services is an issue though. As is the capacity of ppl in the civil service/FO to speak enough languages (read something about this last yr). xps

xp
she took an o/d after a shitty PIP experience. She's fine now and got medical attention before any permanent damage was caused, apart from being completely skint!

"Russian money" is as likely to be coming from opponents of Putin as anyone else, perhaps more so.

yep

however much of the money from anti-Putin Russians is what you'd haltingly call 'legit' and my tuition has never been part of a dirty money laundering scandal so there

Well we don't know the details, or do we?

Going back to that youtube that was one of a number of issues Corbyn raised - the main thrust of that statement was asking about discussion with the EU/Nato, etc. The other was around money from oligarchs that is parked into London.

lj is a russian psyop CONFIRMED

How do you know Louie?

If we get the Russians out of here how will you eat?

oh I'm sure some of it has been dirty lol

To really know what is going on in the UK London's Russian community you really need talk to that McMafia writer, or Hitchens, if you can stop him talking about The Berlin Wall for 5 minutes!

Russian money to fund Louie's 2nd never-to-be-proper-published novel.

The Cyprus Connection.

feed my sandwich addiction morelike

it's strange how normalised the practice of MP's taking huge wads of cash from dodgy lobbyists is now, compared to the 90's. To the point where there is literally nothing to see here, unless the money was from some Putin operative.

meanwhile, sir robin wales is OUT as mayor of newham! momentum-supported roxhana fiaz is labour candidate! FUCK YES

http://www.newhamrecorder.co.uk/seasonal/election/breaking-councillor-rokhsana-fiaz-beats-sir-robin-wales-to-become-newham-labour-s-next-mayoral-candidate-1-5438468-1-5438468

sorry ROKHSANA why because she ROKHS

could there be a more Mail-enraging succession of names?

Who is this dimwit Frederick b?

suspect Sir Robin Wales is more orthodox on STICKING IT TO THE RUSSKIS too

hahaha xp

BREAKING: Internal Labour Party coup ousts veteran council leader Sir Robin Wales after 23 years in charge of Newham, east London. @itvlondon

— Simon Harris (@simonharrisitv) March 16, 2018

Democratic election, covert coup...who cares what words mean?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZwuTo7zKM8

call me a Tankie but if you want to accept an honour then gtfo of the Labour party while you're on

i like how Simon Harris doesn't see any democratic issues in somebody holding a fiefdom for 23 fucking years

well done E15 mums!

right??

Imaginative stuff from the head of Conservative Home ("The home of Conservatism")

I’m particularly enjoying the “Surely Russia would be more subtle about it” excuse. Yes, because Vladimir Putin famously makes a secret of being a bloodstained bastard. Whatever will become of his ambition to host Songs of Praise now?

— Mark Wallace (@wallaceme) March 15, 2018