the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

well that's just divisive at a time when our nation stands on the brink of destruction

sorry, our glorious nation

*lowers whip*

i'm going to enlist later, see if i can pass for 40

Thing is, Corbyn could hardly have wished for a better gift than the one given to him by Gavin Williamson yesterday, within five minutes of his speech he had thousands of people clowning on him and completely punctured the lol-statesmanlike approach the government was going for. It turned a tricky situation for Corbyn into one in which he looked like the voice of reason, even among people who wouldn't otherwise have been predisposed to agree. No wonder Tory MPs are reportedly furious with him.

Obviously the Tory grassroots will lap it up, which I'm sure was Gav's aim in the first place.

When did Corbyn go on against government cuts on this particular issue?

― xyzzzz__, 16. marts 2018 14:18 (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I posted the video upthread.

well fwiw Fred, according to BMJ stats austerity policies have been responsible for far more deaths (120 000+) which is much more domestic terrorism + Russian asymmetric warfare or whatever the fuck you want to call it added up together. So for me, he can go on about the cuts as much as often as possible please. My partner tried to top herself over cuts, last year - so it is a very serious matter.

Fucking hell Calz, I didn't know about that. Hope the situation has improved as much as can be expected with these fucks in power.

Right, just saw it now - what a mess Fred, the main thing ppl picked up initially was around Russian money making its way as donations to the Tory party.

The cuts to diplomatic services is an issue though. As is the capacity of ppl in the civil service/FO to speak enough languages (read something about this last yr). xps

xp
she took an o/d after a shitty PIP experience. She's fine now and got medical attention before any permanent damage was caused, apart from being completely skint!

"Russian money" is as likely to be coming from opponents of Putin as anyone else, perhaps more so.

yep

however much of the money from anti-Putin Russians is what you'd haltingly call 'legit' and my tuition has never been part of a dirty money laundering scandal so there

Well we don't know the details, or do we?

Going back to that youtube that was one of a number of issues Corbyn raised - the main thrust of that statement was asking about discussion with the EU/Nato, etc. The other was around money from oligarchs that is parked into London.

lj is a russian psyop CONFIRMED

How do you know Louie?

If we get the Russians out of here how will you eat?

oh I'm sure some of it has been dirty lol

To really know what is going on in the UK London's Russian community you really need talk to that McMafia writer, or Hitchens, if you can stop him talking about The Berlin Wall for 5 minutes!

Russian money to fund Louie's 2nd never-to-be-proper-published novel.

The Cyprus Connection.

feed my sandwich addiction morelike

it's strange how normalised the practice of MP's taking huge wads of cash from dodgy lobbyists is now, compared to the 90's. To the point where there is literally nothing to see here, unless the money was from some Putin operative.

meanwhile, sir robin wales is OUT as mayor of newham! momentum-supported roxhana fiaz is labour candidate! FUCK YES

http://www.newhamrecorder.co.uk/seasonal/election/breaking-councillor-rokhsana-fiaz-beats-sir-robin-wales-to-become-newham-labour-s-next-mayoral-candidate-1-5438468-1-5438468

sorry ROKHSANA why because she ROKHS

could there be a more Mail-enraging succession of names?

Who is this dimwit Frederick b?

suspect Sir Robin Wales is more orthodox on STICKING IT TO THE RUSSKIS too

hahaha xp

BREAKING: Internal Labour Party coup ousts veteran council leader Sir Robin Wales after 23 years in charge of Newham, east London. @itvlondon

— Simon Harris (@simonharrisitv) March 16, 2018

Democratic election, covert coup...who cares what words mean?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZwuTo7zKM8

call me a Tankie but if you want to accept an honour then gtfo of the Labour party while you're on

i like how Simon Harris doesn't see any democratic issues in somebody holding a fiefdom for 23 fucking years

well done E15 mums!

right??

Imaginative stuff from the head of Conservative Home ("The home of Conservatism")

I’m particularly enjoying the “Surely Russia would be more subtle about it” excuse. Yes, because Vladimir Putin famously makes a secret of being a bloodstained bastard. Whatever will become of his ambition to host Songs of Praise now?

— Mark Wallace (@wallaceme) March 15, 2018

Leak of the week: https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexspence/these-leaked-whatsapp-chats-reveal-just-how-brexiteer?utm_term=.rraPNGKYN#.er327jbJ7

That read like what I'd expect something written by the ERG to say, to be honest: "Shadowy ERG 'group' uses 'What's' 'App' to co-ordinate"

Yeah, I'm not too far into it, but it starts out with brexiters organising to complain to the BBC about a factual inaccuracy, which...fair enough?

Chris 'Hasbeen' Leslie being asked by a BBC newsreader, not a BBC reporter or correspondent, "Are you not embarrassed by your leader?" Then trying to goad him into saying what he's going to do about this Corbyn character in a sort of "Are you man enough?" way, which Leslie was sensible enough to sidestep.

Would have warmed Fred's cockles, if he'd seen it, which he didn't because he lives in Denmark.

That's what the World Service is for.

james o’brien should log off

he's going on a winning run is Corbz, he tipped The Cheltenham Gold Cup winner to actor who plays Kevin Webster in Corrie!

James O’ Brien has never liked Corbyn, iirc?

Anyway, the vote is holding up in the polls, Corbyn would undoubtedly win a third leadership contest if they had one and he enjoys huge support from rank and file members. Of course these guys are sticking the knife in. They can’t see an exit plan in sight.

(Chris Leslie trivia - he was formerly MP for Shipley before losing the seat to Philip Davies.)

O' Brien referred to Corbyn as a wally recently, strong stuff from the flipping pilchard!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYbEU8PW4AAyMxY.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYbEbqMX0AAVzN0.jpg

I didn't realise the BBC had also done a backdrop of Corbz as Trump.

hat gate is (even for 2018) very, very dumb but lmao this doesn’t exculpate the editorial. if anything it makes it seem worse.

And finally, the Russia background was a rehash of one Newsnight used a few weeks ago, for a story about Gavin Williamson, the Defence Secretary pic.twitter.com/0MaoKiiJrz

— Jess Brammar (@jessbrammar) March 17, 2018

What this week has shown is that, in this country, what they really hate the most about Corbyn is his anti-imperialist stances. Atlee might have stood with May against Russia, but its just not the case here. Obv Corbyn's stance is the product of decades of anti-colonial thinking (stuff that wasn't as available to Atlee), which is the result of a lot of events since the 50s. The expectation of Labour to acquiesce is very deeply rooted - the expectations by the establishment, centre-left, by Europe/US looking in (Fred B representing that view here) as well as a lot the soc-dem left. Bernie has severe weaknesses from a foreign policy POV (although he is far more willing to be educated - at least this is what I am seeing from the gun debate rn).

The right can take some form of re-distribution again (especially given Brexit) but if Corbyn ever gets to be PM this is what they will see as most damaging.

How on earth does anti-imperialism factor into a conflict between UK and Russia? You don't think Russia is an imperialistic colonizer? God, this is so painfully stupid.