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Nathan J Robinson presumably ready and waiting for the attack dogs

imago, Friday, 16 March 2018 23:36 (six years ago) link

maybe he becomes a cult figure too, the Adversary

imago, Friday, 16 March 2018 23:36 (six years ago) link

Paoli, Indiana is the middle of nowhere. It's a nice little farm town that has a town center out of Mayberry, mostly known for a place where you can ski (believe it or not). It's about 1/2 way between Bloomington and Louisville. I'd figure it has to be pretty tore up by heroin probably like much of this area of the country.

earlnash, Friday, 16 March 2018 23:50 (six years ago) link

Says one: "I STILL can't find the memes."

— Will Sommer (@willsommer) March 14, 2018

thereby instantly transforming himself into a meme

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Friday, 16 March 2018 23:52 (six years ago) link

Paoli, Indiana is the middle of nowhere. It's a nice little farm town that has a town center out of Mayberry, mostly known for a place where you can ski (believe it or not). It's about 1/2 way between Bloomington and Louisville. I'd figure it has to be pretty tore up by heroin probably like much of this area of the country.

― earlnash

however, it's hard to confirm this because of the difficulty of finding anybody who would willingly travel to small-town indiana

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Friday, 16 March 2018 23:54 (six years ago) link

I frikkin love Nathan Robinson

gbx, Saturday, 17 March 2018 00:47 (six years ago) link

Yeah, the tweet from JP is hilarious in context. He clearly doesn't know what the book is.

Frederik B, Saturday, 17 March 2018 00:49 (six years ago) link

my fav part of the article is the list of JP quotes he just starts riffing on

NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Saturday, 17 March 2018 01:28 (six years ago) link

“There is no being without imperfection.” No shit.

“The future is the place of all potential monsters.” The future is the place for all potential everything.

“People do not care whether or not they succeed; they care about whether or not they fail.” Which is apparently different.

“People aren’t after happiness, they’re after not hurting.” I’m actually after happiness, thanks.

“You cannot be protected from the things that frighten you and hurt you, but if you identify with the part of your being that is responsible for transformation, then you are always the equal, or more than the equal of the things that frighten you.” Unless you are frightened of leopards, and are subsequently eaten by leopards.

NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Saturday, 17 March 2018 01:31 (six years ago) link

i totally havent been paying attention to JP, i forgot he was the toronto guy who was acting all shitty over trans ppl wanting to be called by their actual pronouns, hahaahaaaaa of course the alt right loves him

NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Saturday, 17 March 2018 01:39 (six years ago) link

however, it's hard to confirm this because of the difficulty of finding anybody who would willingly travel to small-town indiana

― ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Friday, March 16, 2018 7:54 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i like indiana...

flappy bird, Saturday, 17 March 2018 05:18 (six years ago) link

But here I am already giving Peterson’s work a more coherent summary than it actually deserves. And after all, if “many human stories have common moral lessons” was his point, he would have been saying something so obvious that nobody would think to credit it as a novel insight.

This was my takeaway from trying to read Nassim Taleb's book - who is not quite as deeply connected to the alt-right as Peterson but definitely adjacent

louise ck (milo z), Saturday, 17 March 2018 05:40 (six years ago) link

i like indiana...

― flappy bird

sorry, i'm an ex-hoosier as of last year, for a while i'll have the same opinions on indiana as a recent ex-catholic has on catholicism

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Saturday, 17 March 2018 14:04 (six years ago) link

exterminate! fake news! MAGA! exterminate! exterminate!

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 17 March 2018 18:18 (six years ago) link

That Robinson article, good stuff

Nhex, Saturday, 17 March 2018 22:00 (six years ago) link

There's always a fatal flaw when "white supremacist" and "intellectual leader" comes together.

It's like saying you're the lead particle physicist for the local sewage treatment plant. https://t.co/bjWyhI5C1O

— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) March 18, 2018

El Tomboto, Sunday, 18 March 2018 16:12 (six years ago) link

Lol truth. There are no clever racists

as the crows around me grows (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 18 March 2018 16:16 (six years ago) link

This is a decent article (warning: link takes you to The Intercept)

grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 18 March 2018 18:03 (six years ago) link

A fun review of JP’s book, with an assist from Shuja Haider:

https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/episode-194-fck-12-feat-shuja-haider-and-elon-musk-31818

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 19 March 2018 22:34 (six years ago) link

Lol truth. There are no clever racists
do people really think this?

tsrobodo, Monday, 19 March 2018 22:43 (six years ago) link

yeah i find that so dumb. some really smart people are racist.

Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Monday, 19 March 2018 23:17 (six years ago) link

william d hamilton was a smart guy.

he wrote this

"it seems to me one of the most paradoxical of all the many impacts Judaism has had on the present world that it is the cousins (at least in a broad ethnic sense) of the very people who claim, on the authority of ancient writings, a right to deprive other Middle Easterners of their land and freedom, who generate from among their intellectuals the arguments that convince the rest of us that panhumanism is a worthy ideal and that the course that follows from it is Homo's best hope for the future. A long list of examples could easily be given: I could start, for example, with Karl Popper and his book The Open Society and Its Enemies and I could end with books of Richard Lewontin and Stephen Jay Gould. It seems to be particularly these men of Jewish origin (not, however, orthodox followers of the faith as a rule) who seek to persuade us that race differences are non-existent and everyone can mate with everyone in confidence of equally capable children."

Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Monday, 19 March 2018 23:17 (six years ago) link

some really smart people are racist.

This is true. But professional racists (people who have made their racism the core of their public identity—Richard Spencer, David Duke, et al.) are all dumb as shit.

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 19 March 2018 23:23 (six years ago) link

racism is inherently stupid therefore

not that smart/stupid is a binary proposition anyway, but sincerely holding racist beliefs is way up there on the stupidometer

as the crows around me grows (Noodle Vague), Monday, 19 March 2018 23:39 (six years ago) link

racism religion is inherently stupid therefore

not that smart/stupid is a binary proposition anyway, but sincerely holding racist religious beliefs is way up there on the stupidometer

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 19 March 2018 23:51 (six years ago) link

Wait what’s happening now

valorous wokelord (silby), Monday, 19 March 2018 23:52 (six years ago) link

Intelligence has no bearing on how dumb a belief you can hold, b/c beliefs don’t always form that way.

Also being hella intelligent + hella racist = early 20th C support for eugenics and sterilization

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 00:02 (six years ago) link

it's a good article, but I found Peterson's response fairly persuasive:

And you call me a fascist? You sanctimonious prick. If you were in my room at the moment, I'd slap you happily. https://t.co/sC3Lc9Hhlu

— Jordan B Peterson (@jordanbpeterson) March 20, 2018

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 06:54 (six years ago) link

In Peterson's own words, “Toughen up, you weasel.”

Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 09:13 (six years ago) link

snowflake triggered

Lobster Boy Is Not Owned pic.twitter.com/PGkMhy0Enp

— Dawn Foster (@DawnHFoster) March 20, 2018

Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 09:49 (six years ago) link

it’s always the real men who feel the most pain

maura, Tuesday, 20 March 2018 11:54 (six years ago) link

if only

ogmor, Tuesday, 20 March 2018 11:58 (six years ago) link

"I will hit U" is what someone says who knows they've lost the debate.

zchyrs, Tuesday, 20 March 2018 13:38 (six years ago) link

I don't know what's more incredible: this guy's overall level of gooniness, or that he has the following that he does.

zchyrs, Tuesday, 20 March 2018 13:39 (six years ago) link

He's not going away, either. The CBC just brought him on last night to weigh in (poorly) on the Ontario provincial election, for some goddamn reason.

Simon H., Tuesday, 20 March 2018 13:41 (six years ago) link

Meantime

lmao Paul Nehlen's campaign is now too anti-Semitic for white supremacists Jared Taylor and American Renaissance pic.twitter.com/bGra5uznoQ

— Lachlan Markay (@lachlan) March 20, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 20 March 2018 13:43 (six years ago) link

Jared Taylor and the American Renaissance: worst bar band ever

Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 13:47 (six years ago) link

Sounds like a tribute band that is doomed to failure tbh.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 13:49 (six years ago) link

their decision to focus exclusively on material from the mccarty-relf era is what really doomed them

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 14:09 (six years ago) link

getting a lot of enjoyment out of perpetually-weeping, kermit-voiced scarecrow jordan peterson threatening physical violence on social media

what a time to be alive

in conclusion, it is good to peel the sheeps (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 14:12 (six years ago) link

a shame pankaj mishra isn't on twitter to tweet back PUT YOUR HANDS ON THE CAR AND PREPARE TO DIE

ogmor, Tuesday, 20 March 2018 14:19 (six years ago) link

Great article by Mishra. The historical reflections are especially good.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 20 March 2018 14:20 (six years ago) link

lol Grauniad and all, but this from the weekend by Mishra covers a lot of similar ground in entertaining fashion
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/mar/17/the-crisis-in-modern-masculinity

Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 14:44 (six years ago) link

its not easy, being green
having to spend each day the colour of the leaves
and ppl tend to pass you over
cos you're not standing out like flashy sparkles in the water
or stars in the sky

(robot gives Mum a hot dirty slap) (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 14:49 (six years ago) link

the other day, the motherfucking kindle store showed me a J Peterson book in the Recommended For You bar across the bottom of the home page on my paperwhite
i'm still mad

when worlds collide I'll see you again (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 20 March 2018 15:05 (six years ago) link

A very good point about Jordan Peterson's whole "people want to blame the world for their problems" nonsense. pic.twitter.com/7LYxVMnRaU

— Bhaskar Sunkara (@sunraysunray) March 19, 2018

perhaps

j., Tuesday, 20 March 2018 21:36 (six years ago) link

yeah idk about that ime ppl will do anything to avoid blaming themselves for anything

Mordy, Tuesday, 20 March 2018 21:39 (six years ago) link

"I will hit U" is what someone says who knows they've lost the debate.

― zchyrs, Tuesday, March 20, 2018 1:38 PM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yup

Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 20 March 2018 21:43 (six years ago) link

Though it's more like what someone who lacks the capability to engage on the same level says.

Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 20 March 2018 21:44 (six years ago) link


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