the alt-right

Sounds like a tribute band that is doomed to failure tbh.

their decision to focus exclusively on material from the mccarty-relf era is what really doomed them

getting a lot of enjoyment out of perpetually-weeping, kermit-voiced scarecrow jordan peterson threatening physical violence on social media

what a time to be alive

a shame pankaj mishra isn't on twitter to tweet back PUT YOUR HANDS ON THE CAR AND PREPARE TO DIE

Great article by Mishra. The historical reflections are especially good.

lol Grauniad and all, but this from the weekend by Mishra covers a lot of similar ground in entertaining fashion
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/mar/17/the-crisis-in-modern-masculinity

its not easy, being green
having to spend each day the colour of the leaves
and ppl tend to pass you over
cos you're not standing out like flashy sparkles in the water
or stars in the sky

the other day, the motherfucking kindle store showed me a J Peterson book in the Recommended For You bar across the bottom of the home page on my paperwhite
i'm still mad

A very good point about Jordan Peterson's whole "people want to blame the world for their problems" nonsense. pic.twitter.com/7LYxVMnRaU

— Bhaskar Sunkara (@sunraysunray) March 19, 2018

perhaps

yeah idk about that ime ppl will do anything to avoid blaming themselves for anything

"I will hit U" is what someone says who knows they've lost the debate.

― zchyrs, Tuesday, March 20, 2018 1:38 PM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yup

Though it's more like what someone who lacks the capability to engage on the same level says.

yeah idk about that ime ppl will do anything to avoid blaming themselves for anything

― Mordy, Tuesday, March 20, 2018 9:39 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yup. Total bullshit.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest neither you nor Mordy have actually done the reading

what reading do i need to do i read the entire tweet

You were so post to read the screenshot...

Nevermind, I fucked that up.

People do avoid blaming themselves but they also cling to their own agency something fierce - the idea that you're limited only by yourself, that if you work hard enough you can achieve anything, is super comforting and super popular. So that tweet isn't entirely off-base.

He's not going away, either. The CBC just brought him on last night to weigh in (poorly) on the Ontario provincial election, for some goddamn reason.

I just watched the video of his comments to the Sun. They almost fully convinced me to vote Liberal.

No, it is entirely off-base, and it's doing the exact same thing that Jordan Peterson apparently does, only substituting 'late capitalism' or whatever for women and minorities and pointy-heads.

Hence, the BernieTrumpBro continuum

Wtf?

lol ok

moo you do know that the vast majority of bernie people voted for hillary right? barring insane outliers the phenomenon you're describing isn't one

fuck I have to fp myself for taking the bait there. sorry everyone

No, it is entirely off-base, and it's doing the exact same thing that Jordan Peterson apparently does, only substituting 'late capitalism' or whatever for women and minorities and pointy-heads.

Oh, I should've made clear: I was talking to Mordy, not you.

Of course there are other ways to run away from being wrong besides "I'll fight you."

And to drill down, you're talking about peoples' proclivity for *crediting* themselves, while the tweeter is talking about their proclivity for *blaming* themselves.

that's your projection of "all people ever" which ignores gigantic swathes of modern science about the brain and how humans think of themselves and others

so pvmic, really

Hence, the BernieTrumpBro continuum

― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, March 20, 2018 3:10 PM (fifty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

how has this cunt not made it to 51 yet?

BernieBro uses the c word, film at 11.

No, it is entirely off-base, and it's doing the exact same thing that Jordan Peterson apparently does, only substituting 'late capitalism' or whatever for women and minorities and pointy-heads.

― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, March 20, 2018 5:09 PM (fifty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other.

BernieBro uses the c word, film at 11.

― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, March 20, 2018 4:06 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm scottish and i don't care about bernie sanders

bernie sanders would be a centrist gun nut where i come from

jp's comment is equally trite i think but not bc he has it precisely backwards (like that tweet suggests) but more bc ppl blame themselves and others on multiple levels (something as a jungian you'd think he'd know) and sometimes cover for each other. we blame ourselves bc we fear that we're powerless (the corollary to the assertion that we cling to the idea that we can make a positive intervention in our own lives) and we blame others bc we fear that we are personally deficient. but the idea that jp has some nietzchean ubermensch alternative he's offering to these cycle of recriminations seems belied by the fact that he just has other specious recriminations (like against the ppl who blame 'capitalism' instead of themselves). i don't buy tho that blaming others is somehow difficult for the human being just listen the next time someone has a list of excuses for why something happened and who is to blame.

let's check in and see how the @jordanbpeterson subreddit is taking his twitter meltdown pic.twitter.com/OYcBqMBpb0

— JD-800 💽 (@thejd800) March 20, 2018

yikes

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/lobbyist-says-he-was-nearly-killed-by-man-he-hired-to-investigate-seth-richs-death/2018/03/19/a4261e48-2baa-11e8-8688-e053ba58f1e4_story.html

that's some amazing can't-even shit

Lol:

asked about what to do about climate change if activism is a terrible idea that leads to the end of Western civilization, Jordan Peterson replies: "how did you get to this event? Did you drive here?"

the interviewer says: "uh, no, public transport"

which stumps Peterson pic.twitter.com/165hz0iWGY

— ☀️👀 (@zei_nabq) March 15, 2018

goddamned shame the "investigator" couldn't finish the job, and i'm not talking about finding Seth Rich's killer.

these fucking clowns.

"I thought I had the story of the decade,” Burkman recalled. His wife, Susan, was more skeptical. She warned him that she didn’t think he was dealing with the FBI. But, he said, the emails “looked super real,"

how in the actual fuck is this person not living in a box under a bridge

I urge his wife to not, in fact, stand by her man.

Burkman said he is now traveling with security. But the experience has not soured him on conspiracy theories. His profiling project concluded that Rich was shot by a hired killer, and he wonders if Doherty was working for someone else.

You know, seems to me you can pull a realllll long con on this guy.

"Now I know the fourth guy you hired was put up the shadowy forces behind the third guy but the FIFTH guy, trust me."

we blame ourselves bc we fear that we're powerless (the corollary to the assertion that we cling to the idea that we can make a positive intervention in our own lives) and we blame others bc we fear that we are personally deficient.

yes it seems weird to debate whether it's easier for ppl to "imagine they could have succeeded if they did something different" or easier to believe that they failed due to external factors beyond their control, when surely what most ppl are afraid of is the third option, that you failed because you personally are inherently and irremediably inadequate, defective - the first two options both give you the comfort that you *could* have succeeded under the right circumstances

as Daniel said upthread, blame or no blame, i think most people believe in their own agency and believe that other people's lives reflect their personal worth at a deep, barely examined level

I know this is maybe too obvious to be worth saying, but when JP and his acolytes push back against this supposed SJW worldview where 'people blame the world for their problems', it's more about pushing back against an acknowledgement that inequalities of outcome between different genders/ethnicities/classes etc are a result of structural inequalities rather than anything that happens at the individual level, whether effort or inherent aptitude?

so the question of whether or not it's comforting to accept these structural inequalities depends on who you are - if you are from a marginalised group then seeing the world this way absolves you of responsibility for failures, if you are from a privileged group it does the opposite, if you couldn't succeed even with these structural inequalities working in your favour then that's an indictment of you at a personal level?

imo lot of the time internet social justice discourse is big on moralising individual responsibility for success or failure and personal excellence, identifying mediocre white men etc. and there's this idea that the straight white men who are hostile to social justice are the one's whose personal inadequacies mean they couldn't succeed without unfair structural advantages, contrasted with adept straight white men who would be able to succeed regardless

Yeah, that popular line of SJ discourse does strike me as a little strange and even wilfully cruel.

Oh yes. So popular that line is. I also can't remember how many hours I've spent in the secret SJW meetings identifying mediocre white men.