the alt-right

No, it is entirely off-base, and it's doing the exact same thing that Jordan Peterson apparently does, only substituting 'late capitalism' or whatever for women and minorities and pointy-heads.

Hence, the BernieTrumpBro continuum

Wtf?

lol ok

moo you do know that the vast majority of bernie people voted for hillary right? barring insane outliers the phenomenon you're describing isn't one

fuck I have to fp myself for taking the bait there. sorry everyone

No, it is entirely off-base, and it's doing the exact same thing that Jordan Peterson apparently does, only substituting 'late capitalism' or whatever for women and minorities and pointy-heads.

Oh, I should've made clear: I was talking to Mordy, not you.

Of course there are other ways to run away from being wrong besides "I'll fight you."

And to drill down, you're talking about peoples' proclivity for *crediting* themselves, while the tweeter is talking about their proclivity for *blaming* themselves.

that's your projection of "all people ever" which ignores gigantic swathes of modern science about the brain and how humans think of themselves and others

so pvmic, really

Hence, the BernieTrumpBro continuum

― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, March 20, 2018 3:10 PM (fifty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

how has this cunt not made it to 51 yet?

BernieBro uses the c word, film at 11.

No, it is entirely off-base, and it's doing the exact same thing that Jordan Peterson apparently does, only substituting 'late capitalism' or whatever for women and minorities and pointy-heads.

― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, March 20, 2018 5:09 PM (fifty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

To me, boxing is like a ballet, except there's no music, no choreography, and the dancers hit each other.

BernieBro uses the c word, film at 11.

― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, March 20, 2018 4:06 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm scottish and i don't care about bernie sanders

bernie sanders would be a centrist gun nut where i come from

jp's comment is equally trite i think but not bc he has it precisely backwards (like that tweet suggests) but more bc ppl blame themselves and others on multiple levels (something as a jungian you'd think he'd know) and sometimes cover for each other. we blame ourselves bc we fear that we're powerless (the corollary to the assertion that we cling to the idea that we can make a positive intervention in our own lives) and we blame others bc we fear that we are personally deficient. but the idea that jp has some nietzchean ubermensch alternative he's offering to these cycle of recriminations seems belied by the fact that he just has other specious recriminations (like against the ppl who blame 'capitalism' instead of themselves). i don't buy tho that blaming others is somehow difficult for the human being just listen the next time someone has a list of excuses for why something happened and who is to blame.

let's check in and see how the @jordanbpeterson subreddit is taking his twitter meltdown pic.twitter.com/OYcBqMBpb0

— JD-800 💽 (@thejd800) March 20, 2018

yikes

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/lobbyist-says-he-was-nearly-killed-by-man-he-hired-to-investigate-seth-richs-death/2018/03/19/a4261e48-2baa-11e8-8688-e053ba58f1e4_story.html

that's some amazing can't-even shit

Lol:

asked about what to do about climate change if activism is a terrible idea that leads to the end of Western civilization, Jordan Peterson replies: "how did you get to this event? Did you drive here?"

the interviewer says: "uh, no, public transport"

which stumps Peterson pic.twitter.com/165hz0iWGY

— ☀️👀 (@zei_nabq) March 15, 2018

goddamned shame the "investigator" couldn't finish the job, and i'm not talking about finding Seth Rich's killer.

these fucking clowns.

"I thought I had the story of the decade,” Burkman recalled. His wife, Susan, was more skeptical. She warned him that she didn’t think he was dealing with the FBI. But, he said, the emails “looked super real,"

how in the actual fuck is this person not living in a box under a bridge

I urge his wife to not, in fact, stand by her man.

Burkman said he is now traveling with security. But the experience has not soured him on conspiracy theories. His profiling project concluded that Rich was shot by a hired killer, and he wonders if Doherty was working for someone else.

You know, seems to me you can pull a realllll long con on this guy.

"Now I know the fourth guy you hired was put up the shadowy forces behind the third guy but the FIFTH guy, trust me."

we blame ourselves bc we fear that we're powerless (the corollary to the assertion that we cling to the idea that we can make a positive intervention in our own lives) and we blame others bc we fear that we are personally deficient.

yes it seems weird to debate whether it's easier for ppl to "imagine they could have succeeded if they did something different" or easier to believe that they failed due to external factors beyond their control, when surely what most ppl are afraid of is the third option, that you failed because you personally are inherently and irremediably inadequate, defective - the first two options both give you the comfort that you *could* have succeeded under the right circumstances

as Daniel said upthread, blame or no blame, i think most people believe in their own agency and believe that other people's lives reflect their personal worth at a deep, barely examined level

I know this is maybe too obvious to be worth saying, but when JP and his acolytes push back against this supposed SJW worldview where 'people blame the world for their problems', it's more about pushing back against an acknowledgement that inequalities of outcome between different genders/ethnicities/classes etc are a result of structural inequalities rather than anything that happens at the individual level, whether effort or inherent aptitude?

so the question of whether or not it's comforting to accept these structural inequalities depends on who you are - if you are from a marginalised group then seeing the world this way absolves you of responsibility for failures, if you are from a privileged group it does the opposite, if you couldn't succeed even with these structural inequalities working in your favour then that's an indictment of you at a personal level?

imo lot of the time internet social justice discourse is big on moralising individual responsibility for success or failure and personal excellence, identifying mediocre white men etc. and there's this idea that the straight white men who are hostile to social justice are the one's whose personal inadequacies mean they couldn't succeed without unfair structural advantages, contrasted with adept straight white men who would be able to succeed regardless

Yeah, that popular line of SJ discourse does strike me as a little strange and even wilfully cruel.

Oh yes. So popular that line is. I also can't remember how many hours I've spent in the secret SJW meetings identifying mediocre white men.

https://www.google.com/search?q=mediocre+white+men&client=safari&rls=en&ei=cFOyWs2PN5KK5wLf77Qg&start=0&sa=N&biw=1168&bih=609

let's not be beastly to the white men

Wouldn't have expected you to defend such a meritocratic pov

I mean, it's not beastly at all to (the presumably easily identifiable) excellent white men.

Oh yes. So popular that line is. I also can't remember how many hours I've spent in the secret SJW meetings identifying mediocre white men.

It's beginning to fall out of fashion (I think), but the "you're losing at life on the easiest difficulty setting" and its variants were pretty popular in certain circles for a while

why shouldn't they be. why is it always these little turds' feelings that are paramount

It's a meme. A joke. And, btw, quite a lot at the insecure women's expense as well. It's not something that people spend a lot of time on. It doesn't need your concern trolling.

Simon, when were you in those circles? Because I've literally never spent any times in the feminist groups I've been in on that. I've seen women being annoyed at being passed over by less accomplished men. A lot. But that's not quite the same thing.

It's possible to dislike a meme or joke. I'm not sure you know what concern trolling is.

It's a meme. A joke.

lmao from what other corners have I heard the "we're just having a laugh" argument

Idc about chuds' feelings and I don't think it's "concern trolling" to say that some arguments (or jokes) are not going to be v effective in bringing people onside. I get that's not always the point.

feels a bit like we're missing the forest for the trees. the bigger-picture contribution of so-called SJWs has surely been to highlight the "difficulty settings" themselves, not the "losers." i mean essentially we're looking at a popularization and memeification of understanding structural racism, structural sexism, etc., known to countless humanities undergrads for generations. so many little comics explaining privilege, new variations on the "invisible knapsack," and so on. individuals reaching for zings at members of privileged groups surely exist but that seems idk super minor.

depends which groups you belong to obv

I wasn't really saying that this meme is the primary focus of race and gender activists, or that it discounts the whole project, just that it's a popular meme that I don't think really works.

I don't think it's "concern trolling" to say that some arguments (or jokes) are not going to be v effective in bringing people onside. I get that's not always the point.

― Simon H., 21. marts 2018 14:30 (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You get it :)

it's a popular meme that I don't think really works.

― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), 21. marts 2018 14:36 (eighteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You don't

i think it's wrong to be needlessly mean to people but on the other hand i don't have much faith in the idea that people in positions of power/privilege will voluntarily give it up en masse thru a process of enlightened persuasion

If we want to talk about things working or not, I don't think spending an inordinate amount of time policing womens jokes will do much in the creation of a progressive political coalition.

politely discussing on a msg board is my fave form of policing

Mine as well

Lol @ an hour on a message board while waiting on hold = "policing for an inordinate amount of time". The reasons why I don't think it works don't have to do with strategy or coalition-building btw. 2xp