the alt-right

the ironic(?) thing is that MGOTW types are the most tolerable of the alt-right generally, since "going their own way" generally means leaving you the fuck alone

Is it like some volcel offshoot or are they men going their own way who would also like women to go that way with them

― valorous wokelord (silby)

you motherfucker now i have lenny kravitz stuck in my head

Looks like it hasn’t been updated in a while but I remember laughing at this:
https://sadmgtowapartments.tumblr.com/

basically Peterson is the two ronnies circa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcMd1F1acSo

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/380821-milo-yiannopoulos-charity-for-white-men-closes-with-questions#.Wr0Vuqa51VI.twitter

https://splinternews.com/the-fascist-right-is-bloodied-and-soiled-1824093337/amp?__twitter_impression=true

Looks like Wikileaks has tweeted out a DM by accident. pic.twitter.com/MVsTgqAdVY

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) March 30, 2018

jordon peterson

<contorted spongebob.img>

I've been not online and not in Toronto for the last few days and it's been awesome to not see or hear about him at all

Was reading someone I know talk about the way the alt-right target depression communities for recruitment and that those communities don't warn about this stuff nearly enough.

It doesn't surprise me but also news to me is that the folk music community has become particularly poisoned. Anyone witnessed this?

I haven't noticed, but I'm peripheral at best to the folk scene these days.

more like volk scene amirite?

lol wait there's alt right folk music? Link please

It's probably just lots of these people hanging around the folk scene, not a separate thing.

so like different from the Death In June neofolk stuff that was alt right before there was an alt right?

https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/irony-
new-white-supremacy/

Twitter and Facebook have unquestionably failed the left. The conviction that these companies are supposed to operate in the service of some ultimate humanitarian good reminds me now of the way certain techies fetishize Elon Musk’s plan to save humanity by moving to Mars. There, rather than succumbing to the planet’s toxic atmosphere and lack of natural resources, humans will somehow build a lasting, utopian society where we don’t repeat any of the same mistakes we’ve made here. It also calls to mind the reverence of futurist Ray Kurzweil, and his theory of an eventual human merger with machines that may make us all knowing and immortal. This future, which he calls the Singularity, is (much like the Rapture) always approaching but never quite here.

I wonder if rather than looking to technology to fix us at some point in the future, it might not make sense to look at where it has brought us. I also wonder whether it might not be the work unlikely to make any kind of splash online — odd non-denominational chapels featuring priceless works of art, huge, un-Instagrammable protest murals, new classical music performances, and other work viewers have to engage with sincerely and in real life to experience — that we need most right now.

In that same vein, what might it mean to gaze clear-eyed at the far-right agenda, admit that we are both frightened by it and ashamed of the role liberal complacency played in its rise, and start by building our weapons from there? Rather than denying what can’t be denied and minimizing what can’t be minimized, thus forfeiting the fight altogether? I’m not suggesting the left abandon cynicism, only that we stop affording it a weight it can’t carry under the current administration. Leaving kneejerk irony and the rewards it offers behind might be difficult at first. But it might also be worth it, if it means we get to take back the actual world, and build in it something new.

trying to fix that link: https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/irony-%e2%80%a8new-white-supremacy/

Aw:

If a group’s only MO is destruction, it stands to reason that eventually it will destroy itself. What The New York Times calls the “alt-right” isn’t a monolith, but a swarm of tribes with different agendas, some of which radically oppose one another. Ultimately, it’s not difficult to imagine them all simply tearing each other apart as the entire movement implodes. Until that point, I wonder if we shouldn’t broaden our perspective. We should not only work on undermining the white supremacist agenda, but also the cultural environment that helped it thrive and grow in the first place. Irony was an integral part of that cultural environment. I wonder then if sincerity is the last radical act left. Perhaps it is time to say what we mean.

I like that essay. It's a bit rambling, and a bit self-serving in it's idea that Rothko Chapel and New Music will save us all, but it's nice.

finally somebody calls for the end of irony

The new new new new new new new new new new new new new new new new new new new sincerity

the alt-right: alanis to blame?

It doesn't surprise me but also news to me is that the folk music community has become particularly poisoned. Anyone witnessed this?

What folk music community? And where?

Rod, Jane and Freddy seem quite sinister now when I think about it.

Rod, Jane and Friedrich morelike.

stunned to hear that the famously diverse and forward-looking folk music scene has been infiltrated by the alt-right

there will be Morris Dancers dancing on yr grave for such a vile slur!

Neofolk obvs has hard-right adherents but idk if that crosses over to mainstream folk music much.

Tends to be full of lefties in my experience.

I don't know much about this folk thing, I should ask the person who was talking about it. Yes, this has always been going around the neo-folk scene but I imagine there's always been some of it in any genre that shows the past so lovingly or in various gothic genres (I love all this stuff. Unfortunately a lot of things I like have this fringe to them but maybe there's an extremist/toxic fringe to most things?). I was loving some neo-classical darkwave recently and realized that a lot of racists would probably love it too, hoping the band themselves aren't like that.

I was reading a book compilation of the Esoterra fanzine a few years ago, there was interviews with a lot of neo-folk, black metal, dark ambient, industrial etc, and the interviewer was regularly asking "are.....you racist?" in different words and the answers weren't always very reassuring.

A lot of people on the alt-right spectrum utterly loathe irony and are totally into sincerity.

It certainly doesn't fit with my experience of the trad folk scene.

Though that was before Shirley Collins et al started getting written about by the David Keenan/Wire cru.

There's nothing the alt-right loves more than a stridently sincere lefty they can troll, really.

Aside from that, irony is less a conscious stance and more sort've the historical dead-end that we've arrived at. A way out of it needs to be found but it can't be as simple as a "return to sincerity", that just ends up as cosplay imo.

Tom, I'm guessing the "Folk" talk in here is probably more amongst the lines of Black Metal and/or semi-Indie types picking the genre up rather than anything traditional. There's a lot of obsession with Celtic roots amongst US white nationalists iirc, might tie into it.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-white-nationalist-troll-ricky-vaughn_us_5ac53167e4b09ef3b2432627?gr

Opening line of this review, which continues in entertaining fashion:

This is just the fucking worst.

https://johannesburgreviewofbooks.com/2018/04/04/richard-poplak-sets-jordan-b-petersons-house-in-order-a-scorching-review-of-12-rules-for-life/

man dunking on peterson really never gets old huh

a proper and necessary dunking IMO

I've been trying to avoid stuff about JP but I think that article told me everything I need to know, enjoyed reading that.

That's a well-written and highly entertaining take-down (definitely my favourite so far) but, as usual, it preaches to the choir. A friend of mine has been slowly sinking into JP-style archetypal clichés (regarding men and women in particular) over the past few years and I'm frankly at a loss as to how to get him to question his beliefs, especially since he is, at base, a highly intelligent and critical individual whose thinking skills are now wholly in the service of confirmation bias. I thought of sending him that link but am afraid that it would merely validate his worldview.

I'm not sure how much it's worth to try and change someone actively rather than passively, leading by example and not via links.

i have a friend who has turned into a meme cartoonist who's probably a JP fan (or would immediately become one if he was made aware of his existence) and whose nouveau libertarianism certainly has started to quickly lean a bit right (especially w/r/t gun violence and the #metoo movement.) he's had some of his shit shared by alt-right types on social media. it's frustrating to see but i won't try to change his opinions, it's a pointless waste of energy afaict.

The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi Nazi who has blown himself up in his kitchen

https://www.mydaytondailynews.com/news/national/warrants-bomb-maker-killed-apartment-explosion-had-white-supremacist-bent/y6Y8rfDEIv5SC9zCbbkloL/

https://usa.spectator.co.uk/2018/04/the-fall-of-milo-yiannopoulos/

Brilliant that Spectator piece, a classic of the 'Give em enough rope' genre. That bit about going back to traditional media at the end.. oh man.

ugh. The part where he went on those radio shows - I had forgotten Anthony Cumia existed - was especially nauseating.

cumia is such a scumbag. and his podcast network hosts gavin mcinn3s’ garbage too. game recognize game i guess

This article reads like it was written by an intern - and surprise, it was!

lol

Anti-Abortion Leader Emerges As White Nationalist

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kristen-hatten-white-nationalist_us_5acd0d5be4b0259339de14f8?xi

shocked, shocked etc.

FRIDAY: @BillMaher welcomes @MichaelAvenatti @JayInslee @alexwagner @FrankBruni + @jordanbpeterson to #RealTime @HBO! pic.twitter.com/oRCkeY9LOq

— Real Time (@RealTimers) April 18, 2018