the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

You can’t discuss London soccer teams in here, this is the anti-semitism thread.

ffs might to have cancel my membership now Izzard is on the NEC.

Now we know the real reason Corbyn was dragging his heels over this woman.

I'd presume the next nearest beaten candidate from the last NEC election is auto choice when an elected committee member stands down, or something like that. They should have got an Izzard Clause in or something, the fucking humanity!

say what you want about Eddie Izzard

I wish people would slag him off for being a fucking nauseating personality and a Blairite rather than anything else.

Forget Cambridge Analytica, I’m sure his attempts to represent Remain knocked 5% off the vote.

It doesn’t speak well of the health of the right of the party when he was their best choice for NEC representation.

Really honoured to now represent almost 600,000 members on the national executive of @UKLabour - at last the 21st century version of the Socialist party I joined 44 years ago pic.twitter.com/53ot5DMpjO

— Jon Lansman (@jonlansman) January 15, 2018

Which isn’t to say I’m not glad Shawcroft is gone, because I am.

"I’m sure his attempts to represent Remain knocked 5% off the vote."

gross underestimation there imo

he kept pushing me towards Leave right to the death

well maybe between him Darling/Blair/Brown/Gedolf about 10% of the Remain vote was annihilated.

and that was just the Tory campaign

Xp vastly unfair on Brown to lump him in with the rest. I really liked the short film he made which made a rare positive case for Remain.

I can vaguely recall a less impressive bit of campaigning by him, but maybe he didn't have his morning blast of Arctic Monkeys that day!

That was so mocked at the time but I read a thing recently that gives it a bit more context:

here’s Damian McBride explaining the widely ridiculed Gordon Brown/Arctic Monkeys answer pic.twitter.com/RjeAmHKQPF

— Jim Pickard (@PickardJE) March 8, 2018

If he'd've said "fuck that shit I only listen to Toru Takemitsu and power electronics" that could never have happened

tbh Corbyn made a similar tit out of himself at Prenton Park, and even though the crowd lapped it up he looked an absolute arse. But some slack cut there because he isn't Broon for starters!

Forget Cambridge Analytica, I’m sure his attempts to represent Remain knocked 5% off the vote.

Yes. I'm pretty sure Izzard's appearance on QT the week prior to the vote had a huge effect. Wanker.

That self-indulgent speedfreak style no content psychobabble, which seems to make up 99% of his act isn't actually an act. The cunt just talks like that all the time.

I don't know if I misheard, but I think there was just a chorus of "Oh Jeremy Corbyn" at the Joshua/Parker fight!

Lot of anti-Semites in then.

I thought I also saw a spectral Riefenstahl ghost behind one of the cameras looking annoyed and disappointed, so who knows!

there were Jeremy Corbyn chants at the Everton/Liverpool games yesterday as well. Earlier on BBC radio after running a piece on the Times reportage of what the fucked-up wombats on FB post - shockah, there was a soundclip of the Joshua fight with a Corbyn chant going on in the background. And they made no reference to it at all even though it was a constant during the fight.

I was Anthony Joshua not Jeremy Corbyn they were singing, saw a clip of Some Lads singing it before the fight.

ah, they sang at it the last Joshua fight is why I thought it was JC, it did sound like it to me but I'm probably slightly obsessed with all matters: bring down Tory scum.

me in the Onestop this morning.

"that'll be £3.80"

"yeah, I totally agree that Theresa May ought to be skinned alive and fed to feral dogs"

on message. i like it.

No worries, lads...

On Twitter, some prominent Labour supporters welcomed Izzard’s appointment. Musician Billy Bragg tweeted: “Christine Shawcroft is not an antisemite. She made a serious error of judgement, but parties that hope to form governments must expect to be held to higher standards. I campaigned with Eddie Izzard against the BNP in Barking and I welcome him to the NEC.”

Actor Tony Robinson also gave his backing, saying that Izzard was “a free spirit”.

ugh! double dose of Baldrick + Billy Bragg smugness, is anything more sick-making?

well, yes. Eddie Izzard is the answer!

god how much do i hate Tony Robinson

no surprise that Lib Dem enthusiast Billy Bragg is backing Izzard, nor that he wheels out his anti-nazi credentials to justify his pro-neolib credentials.

meanwhile, a multi-millionaire property developer doesn't like the Labour party any more. quel cauchemar.

i mean this is hard because if i see one more "but the Tories are massive racists so nobody on the Left can ever be bad or wrong ever" posts on Facebook i'm gonna start unfriending peeps but on the other hand i think we need to keep shaking the tree until all the rotten nuts have dropped to the ground and we can run a big fucking roller over the lot of them

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmUE2uiXgAEWUMh.jpg

"meanwhile, a multi-millionaire property developer doesn't like the Labour party any more. quel cauchemar."

I spy in my @PrivateEye #JeremyCorbyn #UKlabour #SirDavidGarrard #bbcdp #LabourCoup #toomanyhashtags *tuts* pic.twitter.com/L0T7pD443x

— )GƎ( lᴙiG HTᴙAƎ (@Leelu_In_Lazuli) July 1, 2016

funnel stein has shat the bed

Aren’t you ashamed of yourself? You are just a shill for Jew haters. Words fail me.

— Daniel Finkelstein (@Dannythefink) April 1, 2018

finkelstein*

(((finkelstein)))

Louis, the parenthesis meme isn’t helpful!

Fuck the Fink for even trying it with Dancox.

Oh I was just riffing on the previous post, no offence intended

his comment about the Times level of "journalism" has been discovering the internet is otm.

Blimey, LJ, we'll all end up front page of the Times with more posts like that!

Is it anti-semitic to only care what jews and not gentiles say about Corbyn and anti-semitism? I ask because by following that policy I have managed to get a good signal:noise ratio.

Just when you think life couldn't get any more unbearable...

Eddie Izzard calls for Labour to 'stamp out' anti-Semitism

Comments in the groups show members advocating violence, reports the paper.

Ruh roh

xp I can't stand Izzard, but nothing he said there seems at all objectionable? This is exactly the same line that Corbyn has taken in his recent statements:

"This is a very important time for the Labour Party and we must stamp out completely the stain of anti-Semitism from a minority of members. It has no place in our party," Mr Izzard said.

"We must make amends and repair the damage with the Jewish community as Jeremy Corbyn has promised to do."

He's objectionable.

And now, having already been responsible for Brexit, he's going to be everywhere all the time.

true, but if he is going to be getting interviewed on tv etc then I'd rather have him take that line on anti-semitism than any other

But obviously we don't care what his line is on anti-semitism or anything else.

I’ve seen a lot of confirmation bias about either Corbyn or present-day Labour that comes from places of relative privilege or so-called ‘adults in the room’ - a few were white guys dragging Diane Abbott before the election in such a vituperative way, I thought her seat was in danger but they showed unexamined racial bias in their attitudes to her. The result told me these guys just had loud voices and the expectation that they should get their way all the damned time. That’s not to diminish in any way the toxicity of conspiracy theorists, but I just don’t associate that impulse with the Left in the way some others do, because it’s in all parties and no parties. It also made me sick to see the BoD accept solidarity from a Paisley and Norman Tebbit on Monday - talk about self-owns, right?

I’m gentile, but grew up in a town with a big Jewish community. It was huge because other suburbs bordering had covenants not to sell homes to Jewish families right through 1968. The people I grew up with were not a monolith and it has always concerned me to see people lazily reference ‘the Jewish lobby’ or say ‘Jewish people think X’. Every so often some other gentile would ask why I was in school on a high holiday, because of my dark hair and class rank, but that was the worst stereotype anyone I grew up with would bust out in public. The I/P arguments there were always between Jewish people on the rare occasions they happened.

More later - I am trying to flesh out some thoughts in a week that has been personally harrowing for me for other reasons.

I think the Victor Klemperer dairies should be taught in schools tbh. Apropos of nothing perhaps, but this is the new all purpose antisemitic thread, after all.