the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

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they can't be real, they aren't posing with cups of tea like normal fascists do!

calzino, Monday, 2 April 2018 23:09 (six years ago) link

little guy at the back got lost on the swagger thread and ended up here!

calzino, Monday, 2 April 2018 23:11 (six years ago) link

Dan Burn Forti

Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Monday, 2 April 2018 23:19 (six years ago) link

l-r: bass, vocals, guitar, drums?

it was stale, and I did not like it, as the man said, &c (seandalai), Monday, 2 April 2018 23:37 (six years ago) link

The picture’s back!

Considering how us Jews control the media, you think we'd know there's no Jewish holiday of 'Seder'.... pic.twitter.com/gXsjuy7rNk

— jewdⒶs // יידהודה (@geoffreyjewdas) April 3, 2018

gyac, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 06:26 (six years ago) link

do we think this row will hurt LAB with cameron 15/remain 16 voters they stole from the CONs in 17? metropolitan liberals. otherwise I don’t think it will really hurt LAB in the polls

||||||||, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 06:36 (six years ago) link

What a fucking non-story that the BBC are really doubling down on: Leader of opposition has dinner with local branch of charming Jewish group who are young, idealistic and concerned about human rights issues. Privatise these fucks.

calzino, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 08:09 (six years ago) link

Guido Fawkes is not a 'blog', it's a sewer of racism, misogyny and untruth. That the BBC and the entire press regularly take their news cues from their toxic smears and gossip - Guardian included - is beyond depressing.

— dan hancox (@danhancox) April 3, 2018

calzino, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 08:20 (six years ago) link

Calz, I’d argue the BBC is effectively privatised right now; needs re-nationalisation to reflect a plurality of views and not to promote the hateswill of Paul Staines and those like him.

suzy, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 08:33 (six years ago) link

The BBC love socialism really, unfortunately just for them and not the electorate. This government should be getting hammered right now and have been discreetly finding sums of money to put sticking plasters on child poverty/homelessness/school funding problems they have created, because they are starting to get the fear. There is only one story the BBC are interested in though.

calzino, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 08:45 (six years ago) link

this is pretty funny re: the Jewdas event

What I find personally hilarious is that I had Jewish friends in attendance who were pissed off Corbyn was there, being vehemently opposed to his positions on Syria & Russia and condemning his courting of anti-Semites over the years. So to see it unfold like this is wild.

— Oz Katerji (@OzKaterji) April 3, 2018

soref, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 08:51 (six years ago) link

This is excellent:

Thread/ Pt1: Some thoughts on the Jewdas thing: Jews have always been a broad-church. To pretend otherwise is disingenuous. The foundation of Judaism is debating and questioning well, pretty much everything. That is a beautiful thing. May it never change.

— Ben Lazarus (@BLazarus1) April 3, 2018

Matt DC, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 08:54 (six years ago) link

I’d argue the BBC is effectively privatised right now

what happened?

ogmor, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 08:54 (six years ago) link

I suspect most Cameron liberals will be pretty non-plussed by the recent spate of stories but it has been interesting to see The Times, which I used to think of as their most natural home, go full culture war against academics, trans ppl, Corbyn, etc in recent months, leading to stuff like this:

woahhhhh https://t.co/UHB5cYKjQZ pic.twitter.com/XzmSw0A7pl

— Marie Le Conte (@youngvulgarian) April 3, 2018

idk whether it’s with a belief that they can be brought along to the hard right or whether it’s just a small enough constituency to be written off as lost now.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 09:39 (six years ago) link

what a charming bunch they are at The Times, the absolute death of print media can't come soon enough. There would have been a time when you'd assume something like that would be the work of a Chris Morris nom de plume.

calzino, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 09:59 (six years ago) link

do we think this row will hurt LAB with cameron 15/remain 16 voters they stole from the CONs in 17?

How many of them did they steal though? I'm sure there's numbers on Con/Lib Dem supporters who switched to Labour somewhere but I'm in a hurry here.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 10:16 (six years ago) link

YouGov:

Both Labour and the Conservatives held on to 71% of their 2015 voters. Similar proportions of the main two parties’ 2015 electorate (9% for the Conservatives, 8% for Labour) switched their vote to the opposing party – although given that the 2015 Conservative electorate was larger than Labour’s this means that the Tories actually lost more voters to Labour than they gained from them.

Much has been made already of the fact that the combined vote share of the two main parties is higher than it has been since the 1970s. Our data clearly highlights how successful the Conservatives and Labour were in syphoning off voters that backed other parties in 2015.

Labour managed to bring on board almost six in ten (59%) 2015 Green voters and over four in ten (43%) of Plaid Cymru supporters from the last election. The Conservatives, for their part, were the primary beneficiaries of the collapse in the UKIP vote – 45% of 2015 UKIP voters went over to the Tories, while just 11% of it went to Labour.

The Liberal Democrats only held on to 36% of their 2015 voters. Approaching three in ten (29%) went to Labour, and more than one in six (18%) switched to the Conservatives.

This cheers me most of all:

The Liberal Democrats only held on to 36% of their 2015 voters.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 10:54 (six years ago) link

at least now they've got old Pardew Cable in to steady the ship, exciting times for them!

calzino, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 10:58 (six years ago) link

I'm just going to lay some Cable.

calzino, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 10:59 (six years ago) link

would love to read an anthropological study of people who switch between Tory and Labour or vice versa

bad left terf nut (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 11:08 (six years ago) link

maybe call it "The Radge and the Cracked" or something idk

bad left terf nut (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 11:09 (six years ago) link

Idiots and Meta-ffs's

calzino, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 11:16 (six years ago) link

Da Mook of Da North

bad left terf nut (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 11:20 (six years ago) link

I'm just going to lay some Cable.

ey take your erotic fiction elsewhere i'm trying to eat my lunch here

someone’s burgling my miscellanea (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 11:28 (six years ago) link

luv2be concerned about corbyn's antisemitism while clearly being totally fucking clueless about jewish traditions

Corbyn’s attendance at the Jewdas seber reads as a blatant dismissal of the case made for tackling anti-Semitism in Labour. #EnoughisEnough

— angela smith (@angelasmithmp) April 2, 2018

'seber' ffs

someone’s burgling my miscellanea (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 11:35 (six years ago) link

xp
I just can't help thinking of Vinnie C when I have a monumental double flush dump for some obscure reason!

calzino, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 11:39 (six years ago) link

ey take your scat-focused erotic fiction elsewhere i'm trying to keep my lunch down here

someone’s burgling my miscellanea (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 11:40 (six years ago) link

Hey there's real shit happening just a mile down the road from my house today. Filth everywhere, two men arrested on terrorist charges.

calzino, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 11:43 (six years ago) link

ey take your scat-focused erotic terrorist fiction elsewhere etc

someone’s burgling my miscellanea (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 11:49 (six years ago) link

Jewdas's website is down today, which is a shame as their "Enough is Enough" post is being represented as the opposite of what it is. Their twitter's doing some good work though.

Quick thread: As @geoffreyjewdas is caricatured across articles and decried by politicians, it's worth recalling a few things. Firstly, Jewdas is not some band of extremists, but the modern embodiment of a rich Jewish history of irreverent, internationalist and radical politics.

— Daniel Voskoboynik (@bywordlight) April 3, 2018

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 11:49 (six years ago) link

The pair, aged 52 and 21, from Dewsbury, are accused of being concerned in the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism.

Quite disturbing is this if they were planning something tbh, some of the 2005 London bombing team met up at a house + lived in the same part of Town.

calzino, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 12:02 (six years ago) link

This does seem to be backfiring a lot, particularly among younger Jewish voters, and if it means the BBC will stop uncritically using Guido as a source then the backlash needs to be louder.

Feel like Corbyn's best move at this point would be to avoid political (especially right-leaning) interest groups and talk to some religious leaders instead.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 12:18 (six years ago) link

xxp i think this is due to traffic overload? Last I saw of this story, glenn greenwald was talking about it, so you can imagine they’re getting a huge amount of interest.

I saw that several commentators had tweeted about the vile comments on GF, which have been disgusting for a long time. Apparently they do have comment moderation in place?!

gyac, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 12:32 (six years ago) link

Oh yeah, I'm not suggesting that The Man has intervened.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 13:13 (six years ago) link

Baffled that anyone could say we are a source of antisemitism. Jewdas has a long and proud history of fighting antisemitism on the right and left, including being the only group with a sensible solution to the Ken Livingstone saga pic.twitter.com/25l8LEMq5g

— jewdⒶs // יידהודה (@geoffreyjewdas) April 3, 2018

calzino, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 13:30 (six years ago) link

Chief executive of Porton Down research laboratory has told Sky News scientists have not been able to prove the Novichok nerve agent used to poison Sergei and Yulia Skripal came from Russia or establish its country of origin

— Sky News Breaking (@SkyNewsBreak) April 3, 2018

||||||||, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:33 (six years ago) link

so once again May was making misleading statements, of course the BBC will be leading with this.

calzino, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:39 (six years ago) link

Uh oh. Still Corbyn's been talking to the wrong kind of Jews, bad Jews, that's more important.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:41 (six years ago) link

Seeing as Russia is the only country known to have made Novichok, that statement seems a bit misleading...

Frederik B, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:42 (six years ago) link

our great nation's future leader jeremy corbyn is on the right side of history yet again, comrades

*weeps, kisses tattered copy of das kapital*

someone’s burgling my miscellanea (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:44 (six years ago) link

Another tough day for Fred.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:45 (six years ago) link

Pretty sure those Porton Down chaps know their onions.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:47 (six years ago) link

they certainly know to worry if they start smelling onions in the lab

someone’s burgling my miscellanea (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:51 (six years ago) link

https://news.sky.com/story/porton-down-experts-unable-to-identify-precise-source-of-novichok-that-poisoned-spy-11315387

Read the story. It's novichok, and it's a state actor. That means Russia. 'Not been able' is misleading, they say pretty clearly they don't consider establishing national origin part of their job.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:52 (six years ago) link

Its novichok, and its military grade. That' all - whether its Russia or not cannot be certainly proved.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 15:56 (six years ago) link

Really this report doesn't say anything new, it only confirms some of what we already know - and they just say, when asked, that they didn't look into how and by whom this was used as its not their job. That will be left to the British Government, the British right wing tabloid press, and to Fred at ilxor dot com. xp

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 16:00 (six years ago) link

Thing is, though, that Russia is the only known country to have created military grade novichok. And even doing so would be a major violation of the modern treaties concerning chemical weapons.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 16:06 (six years ago) link

This unambiguously confirms that modern-day Russia, which is neither a corrupt, far-right tyrannical state nor a lingering colonial power (it's not a colony if you annexed it via land, stupid!) nor a bastion of misogyny and hatred towards sexual minorities, nor an oligarchy that plunges its citizens ever deeper into extreme poverty, nor a neo-fascist attempt at resurrecting the Byzantine Empire's symphonia, nor a troll-like entity bent on extending its influence ever further (because 17.1 million km² is not enough) is our best ally in the struggle against the Western neoliberal far-right (for they are one and the same, as RT has taught us). All of these incontrovertible truths are to be espoused if you wish to stand up to the Tories – there is simply no self-consistent alternative.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 16:08 (six years ago) link


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