the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

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Boris got peeved because the Russians were offhand and mocking, refused to approach a serious matter with any gravity or dignity and seem to be treating it all as an opportunity for jokes and sledgehammer wit - irony, anyone?

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 16:46 (six years ago) link

iconic pic.twitter.com/jDpC6Mzd63

— George (@gexrgem8) April 3, 2018

||||||||, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 16:47 (six years ago) link

"No xx" is some cold female-chromosome hatred

imago, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 16:49 (six years ago) link

It’s also (kiss)(kiss), obvs.

suzy, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 16:56 (six years ago) link

(((kiss)))(((kiss)))

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 16:58 (six years ago) link

A callback, ladies and gents, and others

imago, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 17:03 (six years ago) link

Is the Jewdas haggadah available for purchase? I need it for next year

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 18:02 (six years ago) link

this news story just makes me feel
incredibly fucking hungry

plax (ico), Tuesday, 3 April 2018 21:18 (six years ago) link

lol

imago, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 22:39 (six years ago) link

leadership contest now

Sources close to Jeremy Corbyn say he did not join chants of "f*** the police" at a far-left Passover celebration https://t.co/jirS60fiql

— The Times of London (@thetimes) April 4, 2018

||||||||, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 07:46 (six years ago) link

of course he didn't join them, he led them

someone’s burgling my miscellanea (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 08:17 (six years ago) link

I've been trying not to pay too much attention to this consistently depressing story but am I right in thinking the Tories have been relatively quiet about this?

Matt DC, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 08:18 (six years ago) link

More eerily, conservativehome.com has been quiet on it, which is odd as they pump out 6 posts a day.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 08:46 (six years ago) link

Violent crime epidemic - caused by social media.
4000 disabled children without a school place - nothing to report here.
Emaciated school children sneaking food into their pockets - a WW2 story, meh hyperbole.

May pays lip service to "burning injustice" - yay !

calzino, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 08:47 (six years ago) link

The Jewdas story slowly curled up and died as the day progressed and yet the BBC still had it as 2nd or 3rd item on the evening news, ahead of the Porton Down story, which didn't even make the headlines.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 08:59 (six years ago) link

Don’t interrupt your opponents when they’re fucking up? Although Tories and right-wing sites aren’t exactly free of same; shire Tory dog whistles about Jewish people are Daily Mail fuel and always have been. Today’s Mail is a bit DOG KLAXON obvs.

I do feel like Theresa May’s shoe-horney citation of Labour antisemitism at PMQs the other week, before the mural comment was discovered, was a FLY, MY PRETTIES moment of sorts. In reading around the issue I was amused (read: appalled) to discover a guy who used to contribute to Edgy Style Mags in the early ‘90s is now something big at the JC. This guy used to combine writing with dealing pills and was the subject of much mirth when he lost a huge bag of pills on a staff trip; the editor of a different ESM hauled him over the coals in an editorial without naming him when he joined a tabloid and began splashing on celebs who used drugs. He was also suspected but never conclusively proven to have participated in phone hacking, but left his paper under a cloud. I saw his byline at the JC last week and did a little vom in my mouth.

suzy, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 09:04 (six years ago) link

The government can keep their hands clean and have obviously delegated it to friendly media in the meantime. That Guido is ‘friendly media’ is worth noting. They’re all scum.

suzy, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 09:06 (six years ago) link

This whole story dragging on is weird to me because I feel like the public in general don't care about this at all, and immediately switch off whenever it comes up

cherry blossom, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 09:10 (six years ago) link

Would it be controversial on here to suggest that May's opportunist Stop and Search cessation (where she dressed it up as progressive, rather than part of the cuts) is the reason lots of people are dead in London? I know Stop and Search was probably executed in a very discriminatory way that violated the space of many innocent people. But if I lived in an area where fools are firing weapons with impunity, I'd want a stop and search policy.

calzino, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 09:14 (six years ago) link

I'm sure Corbyn will be happy that the story is having the life flogged out of it like this, now the media is just yelling NO! WRONG JEWS!

Google lobster hierarchies (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 09:15 (six years ago) link

I mean, my experience is obviously anecdotal but it’s mostly passing people by who aren’t on social media/the internet. I raised it with a few dog-walker types in my neighbourhood and I don’t think it’s changed their views or voting intentions.

suzy, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 09:21 (six years ago) link

London’s murder rate has been basically flat for five years and is still substantially lower now than it was when stop and search was at its peak. There has been a bump in the last two months but no obvious link to over/under-policing.

Xps

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 09:23 (six years ago) link

cheers SV, I'm always very cynical when the cause of social ills is said to be myriad or mysterious, but perhaps sometimes it just is.

calzino, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 09:26 (six years ago) link

Other than the killing of Mark Duggan itself (and maybe even more than that), stop and search was pretty much what the 2011 riots were about, it incubated a gigantic amount of resentment and hatred of the police and a desire to fuck with them.

Cuts in police numbers more generally are an issue though, my understanding is that the thing that's really suffered is proactive community policing that might actually alert them to people carrying around guns before they actually kill someone.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 09:32 (six years ago) link

Remember that striking clip of the ex-police guy on Sky News going ham on May that Jed posted on here? I think it was at the start of this current spree when there were multiple stabbings on new year's eve. He was insistent that the community policing cuts have been disastrous.

calzino, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 09:36 (six years ago) link

This is a terrific read: https://www.lrb.co.uk/v40/n07/james-meek/nhs-sos

In some ways it fills in the detail of what we know - mapping out what the crisis at both health and care services look like. The ending is very powerful, and its a culmination of the number of angles this piece covered, because it isn't just a matter of funding it properly.

― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 29 March 2018 20:04 (six days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I have finally finished this, and yeah this is terrific, thanks a lot xyzzzz_

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 09:42 (six years ago) link

Saw this commentator on murder rates last night.

"This is an extension of a community that has long learned to police itself .... we've not been able to get the support of the police service" @StaffordScott_ tells #newsnight pic.twitter.com/b6Mi8gHBa0

— BBC Newsnight (@BBCNewsnight) April 3, 2018

the pinefox, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 09:46 (six years ago) link

Not sure that 'police ourselves' should mean 'increasing numbers of people shooting each other dead', though.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 09:48 (six years ago) link

FYI Calzino

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zENoTey8e_k

DJ U OK Hun? (jed_), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 09:50 (six years ago) link

I had someone point a shotgun at me once during a bookie robbery. He shot himself dead the next day after armed police swooped on him. That fucked me up for years did that, because some of his family were blaming the bookie staff for being "police informers". Fucking guns are the worst.

calzino, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 10:09 (six years ago) link

I mean, my experience is obviously anecdotal but it’s mostly passing people by who aren’t on social media/the internet. I raised it with a few dog-walker types in my neighbourhood and I don’t think it’s changed their views or voting intentions.

― suzy, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 09:21 (forty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Don't you live in Bloomsbury though?

plax (ico), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 10:12 (six years ago) link

It’s come to our readers attention that @Jacob_Rees_Mogg has been masquerading as Beano character Walter Brown. A clear breach of our copyright. pic.twitter.com/voWQZ5VkPS

— Beano (@BeanoOfficial) April 4, 2018

koogs, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 11:17 (six years ago) link

I do; there are plenty of Tories and Lib Dems here, and I also talk to farmer’s market producers in Notting Hill, most of whom come from outside the M25 and have lots of Brexit and Tory voters amongst them. Of the Brexit voters, most didn’t decide to go that way until they were actually at the polling station and are not nearly as dogmatic about it as social media posters and Vote Leave politicians (the Brexit voter I know best did it to fuck with David Cameron).

suzy, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 11:24 (six years ago) link

Rav Hillel asked: why do we raise the beetroot at the seder? For what is the meaning of this tradition? pic.twitter.com/HOltQ8i5aq

— jewdⒶs // יידהודה (@geoffreyjewdas) April 4, 2018

DJ U OK Hun? (jed_), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 11:38 (six years ago) link

vast swathes of UK voters are so capricious I don't think the pollsters know wtf they are dealing with most of the time. When I was talking to an IPSOS/MORI fool on my doorstep I started giving dishonest answers just because I took a dislike to him, but wasn't rude enough to tell him to F-Off.

calzino, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 11:44 (six years ago) link

The Foreign Office is apparently deleting old novichok tweets.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DZ70hA0WkAEYzRj.jpg

Matt DC, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 12:50 (six years ago) link

great look

||||||||, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 13:01 (six years ago) link

Jewdas definitely coming out the winners here, there's probably a parallel with Corbyn to be drawn as regards people's attention being drawn to something they favour on the assumption that they won't.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/03/jeremy-corbyn-passover-jewdas-good-news

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium-no-one-gets-to-say-who-are-good-jews-not-even-jews-1.5976112

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 13:01 (six years ago) link

jewdas overtaken board of deputies on twitter followers now too

nxd, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 13:06 (six years ago) link

Apparently Geoff Jewdas now has more followers on everyone's favourite mainstream news filter Twitter than the Board of Deputies. And they can't ALL be Dacrebots. XP!

nashwan, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 13:06 (six years ago) link

hah good work!

It's very heartening that this May government are so incompetent that even when it looks like they have won, you just have to wait a couple of news cycles for the inevitable own goals and self-defeat to take it's course. After the USA + EU zone started evicting the Russian diplomats it looked like she would look strong and perhaps be in a winning situation...

calzino, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 13:10 (six years ago) link

Re: jewdas, I was reminded of mark s writing this a few months back:

we're going to be seeing a lot more young people, highly political, who've been chatting shit abt TOWIE and whatever all their lives, who will honestly just dance rings round the gerontocracy facing them.

gyac, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 14:08 (six years ago) link

(which isn’t to say they’re not serious and can argue robustly or whatever, but their trolling and engagement is strong. The outlets challenging them haven’t got a clue how to handle them.)

gyac, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 14:13 (six years ago) link

Obvious parallel: the Parkland students.

suzy, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 14:22 (six years ago) link

that toryboypierce headline is seriously one of the highlights of this year so far

||||||||, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 14:32 (six years ago) link

are Jewdas youngsters?

DJ U OK Hun? (jed_), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 14:35 (six years ago) link

anyone under 35 seems like a youngster to me these days!

calzino, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 14:37 (six years ago) link

pic.twitter.com/VwKW6p6buc

— jewdⒶs // יידהודה (@geoffreyjewdas) April 4, 2018

nxd, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 15:10 (six years ago) link

Boris, "I am the United Kingdom."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43639801

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:30 (six years ago) link

Thing is, when Boris said that they had definitely confirmed evidence that it came from Russia, I guessed he was lying. It sounded like all his other confirmed lies.

But then again, we need to have an example of Boris telling us something we don't know that turns out to be true.

Does anybody have one?

Mark G, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:57 (six years ago) link


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