I did the same, flappy
― Fetchboy, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 16:41 (six years ago) link
fwiw I rated Adore really high on albums but only picked 1 song for my ballot. maybe a lot of others did the same? it works the best as a regular album out of all of them imo
oh good i'm glad someone else thinks this
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 16:42 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/Ic8dhTa.jpg3. Adore 156 points, 22 votes, 6 #1 votes
― ufo, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 16:51 (six years ago) link
SD is so cohesive, even monochromatic in its sound, and even though the songs on Adore can be pretty different in style or production (like Appels + Oranjes vs. Dusty + Pistol Pete vs. Ava Adore vs. To Sheila), the feeling of wandering and being lost runs through Adore in a really compelling way. and the way it begins so hopefully with To Sheila and ends on such a down note with Blank Page.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 16:52 (six years ago) link
I think SD would just edge out Adore as best to listen to as a whole for me these days. Adore is a little too long but I suppose that does add to the feeling of getting lost in it. Shame through to Blank Page is probably my favourite sequence on any of their albums.
― ufo, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 16:56 (six years ago) link
just realized I still have my original CD copies of PI and MCIS, o happy day
― Simon H., Wednesday, 4 April 2018 16:57 (six years ago) link
they're similar in the sense that they're both really desperate and reaching, big gamble records, where on SD they were determined not to make a dog of an album and go back to working in record stores and serving coffee, and on Adore they're searching like I said and trying to come to terms with losing Jimmy.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 16:58 (six years ago) link
and that's not even getting into the lyrics
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 16:59 (six years ago) link
I don't really know how to reconcile 'Adore is too long' with 'Eye should probably have been put on it somewhere' and the only thing I'd definitely cut is Annie-Dog
― ufo, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:00 (six years ago) link
Shame through to Blank Page is probably my favourite sequence on any of their albums
otm. hit after hit. the atmosphere they get out of a song as simple as "shame" is remarkable
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:02 (six years ago) link
Gish is sounding pretty nice now. "Snail" is really good. Maybe it just sounded too much like other things of the time in the 90s, idk? P sure Adore will never really be my thing but it was def a daring move for them.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:02 (six years ago) link
XP
That makes three of us!
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:03 (six years ago) link
whoever said Snail is like the MCIS epics condensed into 4 minutes is so so so OTM
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:03 (six years ago) link
every guitar line in "snail" is fucking amazing
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:04 (six years ago) link
it was painful to not be able to vote for it
my #10
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:05 (six years ago) link
3:24 this octave progression omg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS-ThN4aEDU
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:06 (six years ago) link
When you wake up you're all weak / POLLING your life away
― jmm, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:09 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/UcjcOSp.jpg2. Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness218 points, 29 votes, 10 #1 votes
https://i.imgur.com/ZL2EDRT.jpg1. Siamese Dream252 points, 32 votes, 13 #1 votes
― ufo, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:12 (six years ago) link
fair
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:12 (six years ago) link
Justice
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:14 (six years ago) link
Siamese DreamMellon Collie and the Infinite SadnessGishPisces IscariotAdore
I voted for more Mellon Collie tracks, but SD is the albumest album
― jmm, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:14 (six years ago) link
hard to argue with these results
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:15 (six years ago) link
sd is really beautifully paced for a record that's an hour long
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:15 (six years ago) link
close enough
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:16 (six years ago) link
re: results
I can't believe gish is only no.5. By far their most fascinating album if you ask me. So full of psychedelic goodness. The drumming always totally kills me. A monster of an album. The only album after that i liked was mellon collie as it was so varied.
― Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:17 (six years ago) link
first album i ever bought on CD. zero regrets.
xpost to SD pacing comment
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:17 (six years ago) link
also alex otm – had i voted, i woulda had Gish as #2.
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:18 (six years ago) link
I had Gish #2. I ignored it for a long time and was blown away when I finally looked backward from SD.
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:20 (six years ago) link
everyone feels so locked in for 45 minutes.
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:21 (six years ago) link
really all of their pre-Machina albums are perfectly paced, Billy's deep listening habits paid off when it came time to arrange his own records
― Simon H., Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:21 (six years ago) link
Full album results:
1 Siamese Dream 252 32 132 Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness 218 29 103 Adore 156 22 64 Pisces Iscariot 140 25 35 Gish 126 24 26 MACHINA/the machines of God 38 9 07 Machina II/The Friends & Enemies of Modern Music 16 7 08 The Aeroplane Flies High 12 3 09 1979 EP 10 2 010 Lull EP 6 2 010 Ogilala 6 1 012 Rarities and B-Sides 4 1 014 Earphoria 2 1 014 Zero EP 2 1 0
― ufo, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:23 (six years ago) link
Billy's deep listening habits paid off when it came time to arrange his own records
I will choose to interpret this as meaning that Corgan was a seasoned participant in Pauline Oliveros's sonic meditation exercises.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:24 (six years ago) link
lol
http://www.crestfallen.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/bc_bv.jpg
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:25 (six years ago) link
lol at no one voting for oceania
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:27 (six years ago) link
yeah i was a little surprised that ogilala (not even a pumpkins album!) was the only post-machinas album to get a vote
― ufo, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:29 (six years ago) link
No real surprises yet - I fully expected Adore to be up there, as much as I disagree with it, particularly not over Gish but I think Corgan was on form during the MACHINA period, it just wasn't presented in the best way.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:30 (six years ago) link
Someone had Ogilala at number 3.
― jmm, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:30 (six years ago) link
I would have voted for Mary Star of the Sea if I'd allowed it though. my ranking:
MCISSDAdore(Mary Star of the Sea)(hypothetical Machinas best of)GishMachina II
― ufo, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:32 (six years ago) link
No votes for Oceania because I didn't submit a ballot.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:33 (six years ago) link
couldn't decide which 25 pumpkins songs were actually worth talking about eh
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:33 (six years ago) link
xp nice
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:34 (six years ago) link
anyway I'm sure there will be surprises for some of you in the tracks rollout
― ufo, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:35 (six years ago) link
No, I couldn't be arsed - putting together a ballot wasn't a priority and I would have found it impossible anyway. I'm sure almost every song that places will be at the least very good, as long as people haven't got stupid and filled their ballots full of lower tier b-sides.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link
what's your favorite b-side turrican
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:38 (six years ago) link
Policing what people should talk about in the voting thread was a priority
― jmm, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:40 (six years ago) link
xpost:
'Starla'! Looking at the tracklisting for Pisces Iscariot, I could have easily voted for stuff like 'Whir' and 'Frail+Bedazzled' but not all of their B-sides/outtakes are of the same quality.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:45 (six years ago) link
Mellon CollieSiamese Dream1979 EPPisces IscariotMACHINA
Gish was in the #5 spot until late on - the softer psychedelic moments really make that album for me. I can definitely get behind Siamese Dream as #1, it was my favourite for years but I've just come to love the unwieldy sprawl of MCIS even more.
― Gavin, Leeds, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:50 (six years ago) link
my albums ballot:
Mellon CollieAdorePisces IscariotSiamese DreamGish
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 4 April 2018 17:51 (six years ago) link