Disarm has to be last, not Luna.
― jmm, Thursday, 5 April 2018 02:15 (six years ago) link
I hope Disarm places. So easy to make fun of the lyrics, but unlike a few of the MCIS singles, the song is great
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 5 April 2018 02:18 (six years ago) link
it will make the Top 66
― Bee OK, Thursday, 5 April 2018 02:27 (six years ago) link
Mayonaise just has a perfect chord progression (written by James!). I'd never thought about Purple Rain as a comparison point before but that's really otm. it's Purple Rain meets Loveless
― ufo, Thursday, 5 April 2018 02:32 (six years ago) link
"Today" is probably my least favorite from SD tbh
― had (crüt), Thursday, 5 April 2018 02:39 (six years ago) link
v likely Billy's most effortless-seeming set of lyrics, too xp
― Simon H., Thursday, 5 April 2018 02:44 (six years ago) link
the guitar solo in the intro is so subtle and expressive
― Fetchboy, Thursday, 5 April 2018 03:58 (six years ago) link
the pinch harmonics take me out of it a bit tbh
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 5 April 2018 04:30 (six years ago) link
nice work on the thread title
― mookieproof, Thursday, 5 April 2018 04:47 (six years ago) link
you're welcome
― Simon H., Thursday, 5 April 2018 04:53 (six years ago) link
intro to mayo made me love this tho
https://media.musiciansfriend.com/is/image/MMGS7/M-107-Phase-100-Effects-Pedal/151106000000000-00-500x500.jpg
― flappy bird, Thursday, 5 April 2018 05:02 (six years ago) link
The intro to Mayo (intro de Mayo?) is always what comes to mind when I think "what does a Strat sound like?"
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Thursday, 5 April 2018 06:14 (six years ago) link
my albums poll:
AdoreMellon Collie and the Infinite SadnessMACHINA/the machines of GodSiamese DreamPisces Iscariot
― Nourry, Thursday, 5 April 2018 09:35 (six years ago) link
I've never quite gelled with Siamese Dream. Like someone said upthread, it's concise and monochromatic. I have difficulty discerning between all the songs, especially on the first side. And while I love certain tracks (Soma especially) it's just not as exciting as what else is on offer in the rest of their catalogue.
― loud horn beeping jazzsplaining arse (dog latin), Thursday, 5 April 2018 10:24 (six years ago) link
And I've always felt like Disarm is a massive drag.
if were doing a "Worst Smashing Pumpkins Songs" Poll, I'd strongly have to consider "Disarm" as my number one - and that's even though I either dislike/haven't heard/don't care about most Pumpkins songs after 2001.
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 5 April 2018 10:27 (six years ago) link
had no idea Disarm was so bad and hated. Always assumed I was on my own in that one.
― loud horn beeping jazzsplaining arse (dog latin), Thursday, 5 April 2018 10:38 (six years ago) link
I don't know if it's universally hated? I've just always recoiled from it - when I was a teenager who listened to Siamese Dream too much, it was that song I always rushed to skip. Why? Not the music so much, but the lyric and the vocal, maybe because - as I think about it now - it was too direct, too personal, too naked, or something. And it's not the only early Pumpkins song that was extra intimate, but this took that to an uncomfortable level, with a drama (?) that turned me off and still does.
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 5 April 2018 10:43 (six years ago) link
Disarm is the first one I heard and I have massive affection for it. Siamese Dream in general is the one where they just nail and perfect their aesthetic, they never quite get it right after that so I suspect Butch Vig was a masssive influence.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 5 April 2018 10:46 (six years ago) link
I can sometimes get into it if I'm really in a mood for it but I usually skip it (and "Spaceboy" *ducks*). U mad otherwise though, dog latin.
I really like "Tonight Tonight" and "Thirty-three" so it's not just ballad hate.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Thursday, 5 April 2018 10:48 (six years ago) link
Knowing that Disarm lurks inside of Siamese Dream is probably the primary reason I don't go on Smashing Pumpkins kicks more often. Goddamn overplayed black-and-white old man Unforgiven video was a plague on MTV.
― how's life, Thursday, 5 April 2018 10:48 (six years ago) link
To echo something a few people have said above: I find it hard to return to SD at all now, for the same reason that it's hard to listen to a lot of albums I listened to too often in high school. See also Nevermind and early Pearl Jam.
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 5 April 2018 10:49 (six years ago) link
Maybe I'll learn to like it in this poll, but it was pretty traumatic for me at the time.
― how's life, Thursday, 5 April 2018 10:49 (six years ago) link
'Disarm' was also the first song I heard by them (a Now compilation I think). It wasn't until I heard a student band do a cover of 'Today' in a school assembly that I figured the Pumpkins might be worth checking out. Then I got '1979' and thought 'huh this is nothing like I was expecting'
― loud horn beeping jazzsplaining arse (dog latin), Thursday, 5 April 2018 10:49 (six years ago) link
I loved this strange wonderful album of washed-out guitar epics. It was kind of a letdown when the song the world loved from it was this one atypical over-emoting ballad with a ridiculous tautology in its chorus.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Thursday, 5 April 2018 10:56 (six years ago) link
Same with Mellon Collie I guess. For an album that indulges in its diversity, the favourite and big single (1979) sounds absolutely alone in terms of style (and lyrics)
― loud horn beeping jazzsplaining arse (dog latin), Thursday, 5 April 2018 11:00 (six years ago) link
Lol, now I want to listen to "Disarm". I'll admit that when I first listened to the album, even "Disarm" seemed like a weird song to be 'the ballad' in a world where Aerosmith was still making the most popular rock ballads.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Thursday, 5 April 2018 11:36 (six years ago) link
Play bass like you're barely alive!https://media.giphy.com/media/9Y5ddKxG7nULYJUZhT/giphy.gif
Breathe through your mouth, James (don't breathe too much).https://media.giphy.com/media/1XhrmivUUrrxtCPRrH/giphy.gif
Drink of this cup, for it is...oh, maybe better not. https://media.giphy.com/media/fiwkwEt2SpwNhwrU7L/giphy.gif
― how's life, Thursday, 5 April 2018 11:59 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I mostly remembered why I usually skip it.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Thursday, 5 April 2018 12:05 (six years ago) link
I can sometimes get into it if I'm really in a mood for it but I usually skip it (and "Spaceboy" *ducks*).
I don't like Spaceboy either, it just kind of drags. Disarm isn't a terrible song but the strings and bells are too much for me.
― Gavin, Leeds, Thursday, 5 April 2018 12:09 (six years ago) link
I like "Spaceboy" a lot
Currently trying to reconfigure the MCIS era tracks as one long single-dsc album + one "outtakes" album a la SD + PI. For some reason I never tire of resequencing these songs.
― Simon H., Thursday, 5 April 2018 12:16 (six years ago) link
my albums ballot:
Siamese DreamPisces IscariotAdoreGishMellon Collie
except for 1979 I could exchange Mellon Collie & the first Machina. Mellon Collie has a few other good singles but as an album experience I'd rather avoid it (oh & Galapogos is good too).
― droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 5 April 2018 12:45 (six years ago) link
I kinda feel about Siamese Dream vs Mellon Collie the way I do about Monster vs New Adventures In Hi-Fi : I strongly prefer the earlier of each pair but ILM seems to lean the other way, & I wonder if it's related to which one you got into first.
― droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 5 April 2018 12:47 (six years ago) link
ILM voted Siamese Dream #1!
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Thursday, 5 April 2018 12:49 (six years ago) link
haha that's true! I didn't notice lol @ me. I was responding to the latest line of discussion against Siamese Dream, I guess.
― droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 5 April 2018 12:54 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/tuAhTCG.jpg66. Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness110 points, 3 votes, 1 #1 voteFrom: Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, 1995
― ufo, Thursday, 5 April 2018 13:05 (six years ago) link
who voted this #1?! absolute madman (in a good way)
― Simon H., Thursday, 5 April 2018 13:07 (six years ago) link
Ha, this is the brief instrumental that opens the album?
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Thursday, 5 April 2018 13:08 (six years ago) link
yes
― Simon H., Thursday, 5 April 2018 13:08 (six years ago) link
Not my number one, but I can kinda understand. Gets stuck in my head a hell of a lot.
― how's life, Thursday, 5 April 2018 13:09 (six years ago) link
This has me wondering how much of MCIS is gonna place. I'm gonna say 20 out of 28.
― Simon H., Thursday, 5 April 2018 13:11 (six years ago) link
this placing where it did is a big part of why I decided to go with 66 tracks for the rollout (as well as the 33 connection), it was too fitting. it's a nice intro and I like the reprises at the end of the album and in Thru the Eyes of Ruby
for reference track ballots were scored 50-48-46-44-...-8-6-4-2
― ufo, Thursday, 5 April 2018 13:15 (six years ago) link
It wouldn't have made my ballot, but if I had to condense Mellon Collie down to Siamese Dream, I'd still retain it as I love it.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 5 April 2018 13:16 (six years ago) link
*Siamese Dream length.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Thursday, 5 April 2018 13:17 (six years ago) link
I agree with that. Whenever I try removing it, it just sounds wrong.
― Simon H., Thursday, 5 April 2018 13:21 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/7thm3Ic.jpg65. Stumbleine112 points, 6 votesFrom: Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, 1995
― ufo, Thursday, 5 April 2018 13:24 (six years ago) link
I prefer 'Mellon Collie' to 'Tonight Tonight'. It's a sweet little intro to what's to come and then Tonight Tonight comes in with its mid-tempo bluster and I hit the skip button. Didn't vote for it but hah at the number 1
― loud horn beeping jazzsplaining arse (dog latin), Thursday, 5 April 2018 13:25 (six years ago) link
I must have been listening to the White Album at the same time as Mellon Collie cos Stumbleine sounds like an answer to Cry Baby Cry whenever I hear it
― loud horn beeping jazzsplaining arse (dog latin), Thursday, 5 April 2018 13:27 (six years ago) link
the mellon collie title track is such a good way of opening this. kudos ufo. can’t believe it made no. 66 exactly
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 April 2018 13:28 (six years ago) link
I usually skip straight to "Tonight Tonight", honestly. I'm a huge fan of instrumental music but "Mellon Collie" seems pretty uninteresting to me. I do like "Stumbleine" a lot, although it didn't make my ballot.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Thursday, 5 April 2018 13:34 (six years ago) link