OK here's a challop: the heavy songs on MCIS sound forced, and if SP weren't buzzbinned and earmarked as the next Nirvana (and of course complied with that) then the album would have been Beautiful, Thirty-Three, Tonight Tonight, Galapogos, Porcelina, Lily, 1979 et al.SD sounds like Billy had some jams to kick out, and with Vig achieved the zenith of the guitar rock assault record, but on MCIS the rawk is a facsimile, and the beautiful melodic songs are where their hearts were. Adore was a relief for that reason.
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Saturday, 7 April 2018 01:15 (six years ago) link
(tho I guess Porcelina is plenty heavy when it needs to be!)
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Saturday, 7 April 2018 01:16 (six years ago) link
MatthewK, you may be onto something there
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 7 April 2018 01:19 (six years ago) link
Maybe I'll have to try an "All Softies" MCIS, though I suspect it'll still ring false (and poorly/overproduced). But that was part of the disappointment--with MCIS, SP fragmented the whole of what they could do into discrete, siloed categories. With SD and "Starla" and "Drown" and parts of Gish, while a song might *lean* "rock" or lean "beauty," there was always a push-pull synthesis of these (and other) feelings and sounds within almost every track.
― Soundslike, Saturday, 7 April 2018 01:20 (six years ago) link
I definitely prefer the soft songs on Mellon Collie to the heavy ones. Beautiful lives up to its name as one of their most beautiful tracks and I had it quite high.
― ufo, Saturday, 7 April 2018 01:26 (six years ago) link
Na na na na na na na na
https://i.imgur.com/DFZRRTv.jpg33. Appels + Oranjes250 points, 9 votesFrom: Adore, 1998
― ufo, Saturday, 7 April 2018 01:33 (six years ago) link
who voted Beautiful as their #1? thank you.
Porcelina is the only song on MCIS that captures (almost) every side of the band.
xp oh fuck yeah.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 7 April 2018 01:34 (six years ago) link
:)
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 7 April 2018 01:35 (six years ago) link
i have only had three tracks that i voted for place so far, either i'm way off or most of mine are going to show up later. i think i'm going to be more of a hivemind fan.
― Bee OK, Saturday, 7 April 2018 01:38 (six years ago) link
I love how "Appels..." chugs to life.
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 7 April 2018 01:40 (six years ago) link
this is my favorite from Adore.
― had (crüt), Saturday, 7 April 2018 01:43 (six years ago) link
i'm listening to Music Choice Classic Alternative channel right now. they just put on "Mayonaise."
― Bee OK, Saturday, 7 April 2018 01:45 (six years ago) link
they are probably watching this rollout. :-)
― Bee OK, Saturday, 7 April 2018 01:49 (six years ago) link
Getting the sinking feeling that "The Imploding Voice" has no chance of showing up here
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 7 April 2018 01:50 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/JPVse9o.jpg32. To Forgive266 points, 9 votesFrom: Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, 1995
― ufo, Saturday, 7 April 2018 01:53 (six years ago) link
"appels" was right at the end of my ballot
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 April 2018 01:54 (six years ago) link
higher than i expected. and yeah ray, seems like it... bummed, that song is great, one of the only songs that benefitted from the maximalist Machina production. the barebones Arising version is p boring in comparison
― flappy bird, Saturday, 7 April 2018 01:54 (six years ago) link
to forgive i meant
― flappy bird, Saturday, 7 April 2018 01:55 (six years ago) link
the bridge in To Forgive is really great
― ufo, Saturday, 7 April 2018 01:59 (six years ago) link
GS: Did you use any other guitar amps on the record?CORGAN: On "To Forgive," I used a Fender Bassman that I bought during the recording of Siamese Dream. It's an old, fucked-up amp, one of those "silver face" models from the late Sixties or early Seventies. I paid to get it fixed, but it still doesn't work right. The amp makes this weird sound, like a storm coming. While we rehearsed the song, the sound got worse, and then started to go away,at which point we started to record. Right about the time we did the rake that's on the album,the sound started to come back. If you listen closely, you can hear a little bit of the storm sound coming again.GS: Is it like a rumble?CORGAN: No, it's more like KKKkkkccchhhHHH, like something's definitely wrong with the amp. I've had problems with tubes going harmonic, but this is something else altogether. I've tried kicking that head as hard as I can, and sometimes that makes the sound go away. But other times it makes it get worse, so you have to know just when and how to kick it! GS: How do you play the first verse of "To Forgive"?CORGAN: It's mostly based on arpeggiated 1st-position chords. At the chorus, I break into full chords combined with single-note arpegiations.GS: The bridge of "To Forgive" has a very cool cyclical feel to it.CORGAN: That's because it's based on a chord progression that actually cycles around.
CORGAN: On "To Forgive," I used a Fender Bassman that I bought during the recording of Siamese Dream. It's an old, fucked-up amp, one of those "silver face" models from the late Sixties or early Seventies. I paid to get it fixed, but it still doesn't work right. The amp makes this weird sound, like a storm coming. While we rehearsed the song, the sound got worse, and then started to go away,at which point we started to record. Right about the time we did the rake that's on the album,the sound started to come back. If you listen closely, you can hear a little bit of the storm sound coming again.
GS: Is it like a rumble?
CORGAN: No, it's more like KKKkkkccchhhHHH, like something's definitely wrong with the amp. I've had problems with tubes going harmonic, but this is something else altogether. I've tried kicking that head as hard as I can, and sometimes that makes the sound go away. But other times it makes it get worse, so you have to know just when and how to kick it!
GS: How do you play the first verse of "To Forgive"?
CORGAN: It's mostly based on arpeggiated 1st-position chords. At the chorus, I break into full chords combined with single-note arpegiations.
GS: The bridge of "To Forgive" has a very cool cyclical feel to it.
CORGAN: That's because it's based on a chord progression that actually cycles around.
rest of the interview is pumpkinhead heaven, lots of detailed stuff about the production of MCIS: http://www.starla.org/articles/crsh4_96.htm
― flappy bird, Saturday, 7 April 2018 02:04 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/mR3YbzD.jpg31. Shame274 points, 10 votesFrom: Adore, 1998
last one for now
― ufo, Saturday, 7 April 2018 02:14 (six years ago) link
is this happening over the weekend or are you going to wait to post the next batch on Monday?
― Bee OK, Saturday, 7 April 2018 02:20 (six years ago) link
I will probably keep going over the weekend
― ufo, Saturday, 7 April 2018 02:21 (six years ago) link
:thumbsup:
― Bee OK, Saturday, 7 April 2018 02:24 (six years ago) link
SHAME TOO LOW
this was my gateway song into loving Adore and a lot of other music, too (eg slowcore)
― Simon H., Saturday, 7 April 2018 02:28 (six years ago) link
My #25
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 7 April 2018 02:29 (six years ago) link
god "shame" is so wonderful
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 April 2018 02:32 (six years ago) link
starting from when I was about 16 I always took "you're gonna walk on home, you're gonna walk alone" as an invitation. it's scored a lot of walks.
― Simon H., Saturday, 7 April 2018 02:36 (six years ago) link
my gateway song into loving Adore and a lot of other music, too (eg slowcore)
Smashing Pumpkins 'Shame' but sung by Mark Kozelek
― had (crüt), Saturday, 7 April 2018 02:38 (six years ago) link
lmao
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 April 2018 02:40 (six years ago) link
ahahahaha bless u crut
― Simon H., Saturday, 7 April 2018 02:41 (six years ago) link
Shame is a little too long but it's still glorious, I love when it finally opens up into "hello, goodbye, you know you made us cry"
― ufo, Saturday, 7 April 2018 02:43 (six years ago) link
Shame was in my top 10. A majestic abstraction
Bodies & Quiet also placed high on my ballots. Quiet in particular has some of Billy's best-ever lyrics
― bedraggled vorticist (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 7 April 2018 03:01 (six years ago) link
(Seriously the Quiet chorus is such a sharp evocation of child abuse from the vantage point of the victim)
― bedraggled vorticist (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 7 April 2018 03:04 (six years ago) link
wait, "ballots"?
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 7 April 2018 03:06 (six years ago) link
Lol no thats a typo, my bad. I only got one vote
― bedraggled vorticist (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 7 April 2018 03:09 (six years ago) link
been listening to softer tracks at night while winding down with fam, and I now see that I made very caffeinated morning listening at work selections for my ballot
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 7 April 2018 03:10 (six years ago) link
I've been listening to it for 25 years but I don't think I have any idea what the words to the chorus of "Quiet" are, unless they actually are "We have shown/Mess you've made my eyes/I'll never forget your sweet behind". Don't tell me the real lyrics pls. I really enjoy the vocal timbres with the guitars there.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 7 April 2018 03:16 (six years ago) link
One of my favourite Corgan solos.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 7 April 2018 03:20 (six years ago) link
be ashamedmess you've mademy eyesnever forgetyou seebehind me
― had (crüt), Saturday, 7 April 2018 03:22 (six years ago) link
OK, I looked them up. The real lyrics are definitely better.xp
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 7 April 2018 03:22 (six years ago) link
behind me the grace of falling snow cover up everything you knowcome save me from the awful soundof nothing
― flappy bird, Saturday, 7 April 2018 03:42 (six years ago) link
that’s one of my favorite corgan verses
I like "Behind me the grace of falling snow/Cover up everything you know". His diction seems really obscured to me on that song.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 7 April 2018 04:03 (six years ago) link
"Shame" was my #7. It's maybe the only long SP track whose epic-ness doesn't sound forced. There are no extended solos, shifts in tempo, weird vocal interludes or any other cues that might imply that they're planning to go long. The groove just locks in and keeps going.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 7 April 2018 05:32 (six years ago) link
I figured it was a given that all of SD would place in the top 66 but never thought that all, or nearly all, of Adore would.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 7 April 2018 05:34 (six years ago) link
Spotify: ILM The Smashing Pumpkins
up to date and at 2:42 long (31-88) so far...
― Bee OK, Saturday, 7 April 2018 05:45 (six years ago) link
thanks for those who are keeping the Spotify up to date!
― Bee OK, Saturday, 7 April 2018 05:46 (six years ago) link
'I Am One' and especially 'Beautiful' are both far, far too low. 'To Forgive' is way too high and I'm glad to see 'Bullet With Butterfly Wings' outside the Top 25... if there was ever a classic Pumpkins song that I got bored of fast, it was that one - even 'Today' still has a lot of gas left in the tank for me.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 7 April 2018 09:44 (six years ago) link