god "shame" is so wonderful
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 April 2018 02:32 (six years ago) link
starting from when I was about 16 I always took "you're gonna walk on home, you're gonna walk alone" as an invitation. it's scored a lot of walks.
― Simon H., Saturday, 7 April 2018 02:36 (six years ago) link
my gateway song into loving Adore and a lot of other music, too (eg slowcore)
Smashing Pumpkins 'Shame' but sung by Mark Kozelek
― had (crüt), Saturday, 7 April 2018 02:38 (six years ago) link
lmao
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 April 2018 02:40 (six years ago) link
ahahahaha bless u crut
― Simon H., Saturday, 7 April 2018 02:41 (six years ago) link
Shame is a little too long but it's still glorious, I love when it finally opens up into "hello, goodbye, you know you made us cry"
― ufo, Saturday, 7 April 2018 02:43 (six years ago) link
Shame was in my top 10. A majestic abstraction
Bodies & Quiet also placed high on my ballots. Quiet in particular has some of Billy's best-ever lyrics
― bedraggled vorticist (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 7 April 2018 03:01 (six years ago) link
(Seriously the Quiet chorus is such a sharp evocation of child abuse from the vantage point of the victim)
― bedraggled vorticist (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 7 April 2018 03:04 (six years ago) link
wait, "ballots"?
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 7 April 2018 03:06 (six years ago) link
Lol no thats a typo, my bad. I only got one vote
― bedraggled vorticist (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 7 April 2018 03:09 (six years ago) link
been listening to softer tracks at night while winding down with fam, and I now see that I made very caffeinated morning listening at work selections for my ballot
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 7 April 2018 03:10 (six years ago) link
I've been listening to it for 25 years but I don't think I have any idea what the words to the chorus of "Quiet" are, unless they actually are "We have shown/Mess you've made my eyes/I'll never forget your sweet behind". Don't tell me the real lyrics pls. I really enjoy the vocal timbres with the guitars there.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 7 April 2018 03:16 (six years ago) link
One of my favourite Corgan solos.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 7 April 2018 03:20 (six years ago) link
be ashamedmess you've mademy eyesnever forgetyou seebehind me
― had (crüt), Saturday, 7 April 2018 03:22 (six years ago) link
OK, I looked them up. The real lyrics are definitely better.xp
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 7 April 2018 03:22 (six years ago) link
behind me the grace of falling snow cover up everything you knowcome save me from the awful soundof nothing
― flappy bird, Saturday, 7 April 2018 03:42 (six years ago) link
that’s one of my favorite corgan verses
I like "Behind me the grace of falling snow/Cover up everything you know". His diction seems really obscured to me on that song.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 7 April 2018 04:03 (six years ago) link
"Shame" was my #7. It's maybe the only long SP track whose epic-ness doesn't sound forced. There are no extended solos, shifts in tempo, weird vocal interludes or any other cues that might imply that they're planning to go long. The groove just locks in and keeps going.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 7 April 2018 05:32 (six years ago) link
I figured it was a given that all of SD would place in the top 66 but never thought that all, or nearly all, of Adore would.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 7 April 2018 05:34 (six years ago) link
Spotify: ILM The Smashing Pumpkins
up to date and at 2:42 long (31-88) so far...
― Bee OK, Saturday, 7 April 2018 05:45 (six years ago) link
thanks for those who are keeping the Spotify up to date!
― Bee OK, Saturday, 7 April 2018 05:46 (six years ago) link
'I Am One' and especially 'Beautiful' are both far, far too low. 'To Forgive' is way too high and I'm glad to see 'Bullet With Butterfly Wings' outside the Top 25... if there was ever a classic Pumpkins song that I got bored of fast, it was that one - even 'Today' still has a lot of gas left in the tank for me.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 7 April 2018 09:44 (six years ago) link
Sh-sh-sh-sh-shame I'm missing most of the roll-out due to work, but: I adore the images, the placings, the insightful comments and the banter, the faith, compassion and love <3
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 7 April 2018 09:48 (six years ago) link
Quiet and To Forgive both get a TOO LOW from me, Quiet has always been my favourite of the band's hard rock songs, especially love the shift into 3/4 during the solo. To Forgive just unfurls beautifully. Shame and To Sheila are two Adore tracks I wish I could've made room for.
― Gavin, Leeds, Saturday, 7 April 2018 09:55 (six years ago) link
Bullet With Butterfly Wings isn't a great song but it's an iconic one that might have been their most important song in terms of bringing them to a new level of superstardom. I have a lot of good memories associated with it for that reason but without that context it doesn't really stand out for me on the album twenty years later.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 7 April 2018 10:38 (six years ago) link
who voted Beautiful as their #1? thank you.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 7 April 2018 01:34 (nine hours ago)
hi! alternated between this & "Farewell & Goodnight" as my #1; semi-wished I'd gone for the latter to mirror your #1 for the title track! had a semi-haphazard ballot as I haven't really listened to the SPs since the 90s but I sort've agree with
OK here's a challop: the heavy songs on MCIS sound forced, and if SP weren't buzzbinned and earmarked as the next Nirvana (and of course complied with that) then the album would have been Beautiful, Thirty-Three, Tonight Tonight, Galapogos, Porcelina, Lily, 1979 et al.SD sounds like Billy had some jams to kick out, and with Vig achieved the zenith of the guitar rock assault record, but on MCIS the rawk is a facsimile, and the beautiful melodic songs are where their hearts were. Adore was a relief for that reason.
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Saturday, 7 April 2018 01:15 (nine hours ago)
& personally I can't really get near guitar-heavy SPs without sensations of nausea (& geez that first couplet in "Ava Adore") - probably should have revisited the Thirty-Three b-sides more when putting together my ballot.
― etc, Saturday, 7 April 2018 11:01 (six years ago) link
For me BWBW is too self consciously the loud-quiet-loud template and a can't-believe-it's-not-Nirvana bid to assume the mantle of alt-rock sovereignty - previously the Pumpkins' huge songs were lengthy buildups and revelled in their excess, whereas this is off-on-off-on. But that early performance above has an intro talking about Virgin Records and "if you don't like it we won't be able to do the next album" - tongue in cheek but with a grain of truth I'll bet.I wonder if Billy was driven by a sense of competition with Kurt, even. If he was still hung up on Courtney.
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Saturday, 7 April 2018 11:08 (six years ago) link
starting #30 to #21 now
https://i.imgur.com/GriIYk6.jpg30. Hello Kitty Kat294 points, 14 votesFrom: Today single, 1993 and Pisces Iscariot, 1994
― ufo, Saturday, 7 April 2018 12:44 (six years ago) link
oh and 1 #1 vote there too
― ufo, Saturday, 7 April 2018 12:45 (six years ago) link
My #4. It moves so well. I think I compared the outro to 70s Aerosmith before.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 7 April 2018 12:55 (six years ago) link
I wonder if Billy was driven by a sense of competition with Kurt, even. If he was still hung up on Courtney.― startled macropod (MatthewK), Saturday, April 7, 2018 11:08 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― startled macropod (MatthewK), Saturday, April 7, 2018 11:08 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Corgan was driven by a sense of competition with everybody - he really did want the Pumpkins to be massive in a U2 sense and had no interest in being a cult act. I remember one article in Q Magazine circa 1995 or 1996 about the old TV show The White Room, where The Cardigans were asked "how does it feel to be on the same show as The Smashing Pumpkins?" to which they replied "you should ask them how they feel to be on the same show as The Cardigans" ... so, the journalist did! Corgan hit the roof, pretty much, at the idea that anyone could possibly be more successful. His response was pretty much "What the fuck? Have we missed the boat, or what?" - The Cardigans, of course, weren't even anywhere near on the same level of popularity as the Pumpkins, but for a moment Corgan shat himself at the thought that his popularity was being eclipsed.
I'm sure that Corgan felt a bit of a rivalry with Kurt due to the Courtney thing, but while I could imagine Corgan being envious of the success of Nevermind or In Utero, I couldn't see Kurt being much into the Punpkins, just based of what everyone knows about his music taste and his feelings towards huge bands. The Pumpkins seemed to be everything Kurt didn't want Nirvana to be.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 7 April 2018 13:08 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/556aPBC.jpg29. Snail310 points, 11 votesFrom: Gish, 1991
― ufo, Saturday, 7 April 2018 13:19 (six years ago) link
Maybe the best song I didn't vote for
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 7 April 2018 13:23 (six years ago) link
YES! Love this song - really glad to see this in the Top 30.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 7 April 2018 13:26 (six years ago) link
Two solid tracks right here.
― had (crüt), Saturday, 7 April 2018 13:29 (six years ago) link
My #2! It's majestic.
― jmm, Saturday, 7 April 2018 13:37 (six years ago) link
Snail is one of my favourites on Gish, a clear predecessor to the epics from SD and MCIS
― ufo, Saturday, 7 April 2018 13:40 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/nA6OPAi.jpg28. Siva314 points, 13 votes, 1 #1 voteFrom: Gish, 1991
Another Gish classic - this was my favourite track on the LP for a long time.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 7 April 2018 13:43 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/Rui58bF.jpg27. Frail and Bedazzled322 points, 11 votes, 1 #1 voteFrom: Pisces Iscariot, 1994
― ufo, Saturday, 7 April 2018 14:24 (six years ago) link
two of the best tracks on gish bookended by two of the best tracks on pisces
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 April 2018 14:26 (six years ago) link
this poll is awesome
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, April 7, 2018 5:55 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
that's a great comparison
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 April 2018 14:27 (six years ago) link
It's looking like the sweet spot on this poll is going to be the 30s-20s. . . ; )
― Soundslike, Saturday, 7 April 2018 14:28 (six years ago) link
I feel like "Frail & Bedazzled" is their most fun song, even though I'm sure the lyrics are dour (don't pay much attention). By their early standards, it's almost "punk" in its impactfulness. It's not exactly danceable, of course, but it's certainly. . . move-able?
― Soundslike, Saturday, 7 April 2018 14:33 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/uMKV2mp.jpg26. Zero328 points, 13 votesFrom: Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, 1995
― ufo, Saturday, 7 April 2018 14:44 (six years ago) link
'Zero' EP b-sides >>>> "Zero"
But, at least "Zero" >>>> "Bullet With Butterfly Wings"
― Soundslike, Saturday, 7 April 2018 14:48 (six years ago) link
https://media.giphy.com/media/3orif9aE75fGBSjsqs/giphy.gif
― jmm, Saturday, 7 April 2018 14:49 (six years ago) link
....
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 7 April 2018 15:00 (six years ago) link