Bang Bang You're Dead... POLL In Your Head - ILM Artist Poll #87 - SMASHING PUMPKINS - Results

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For Martha was the only song that made sense to me when I first heard Adore. really incredible song and one of their most moving. the way the guitar solo explodes into existence!

that's the last one for now

ufo, Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:12 (six years ago) link

Muzzle way too low! my fav track on MatIS

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:12 (six years ago) link

Way behind but: the "Zero" riff is incredible! It's such a simple idea but just by sliding his finger down that stretch of the low sixth string with a load of distortion, he basically plays a catchy descending Eb major arpeggio in just intonation on the 6th, 5th, and 4th harmonics. It made my top 10 mostly for that + the noise solo.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:15 (six years ago) link

I'm guessing that "Crestfallen" is somewhere up ahead. Right?

RIGHT?!?

― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, April 7, 2018 10:12 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i voted for it real high but i'm guessing: no

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:15 (six years ago) link

recap so far:

21 For Martha 380 15 1
22 Muzzle 358 14 0
23 Tonight, Tonight 348 14 0
24 Silverfuck 338 13 0
25 Whir 336 11 1
26 Zero 328 13 0
27 Frail and Bedazzled 322 11 1
28 Siva 314 13 1
29 Snail 310 11 0
30 Hello Kitty Kat 294 14 1
31 Shame 274 10 0
32 To Forgive 266 9 0
33 Appels + Oranjes 250 9 0
35 I Am One 234 9 0
35 Beautiful 234 9 1
36 Quiet 232 9 0
37 Bullet With Butterfly Wings 228 9 0
38 Bodies 226 8 0
39 Love 216 11 0
40 Bury Me 214 10 0
41 Luna 208 10 0
42 To Sheila 196 10 1
43 Behold! The Night Mare 188 8 0
44 Glynis 184 8 0
45 Blank Page 180 9 0
46 Eye 172 9 0
47 Where Boys Fear To Tread 170 7 0
48 By Starlight 162 9 0
49 Cupid de Locke 156 9 0
52 Age of Innocence 154 5 0
52 Crush 154 6 1
52 I of the Mourning 154 5 1
53 Pug 150 6 0
56 Spaceboy 142 6 0
56 Ava Adore 142 6 0
56 Wound 142 7 0
58 Tear 134 4 0
58 Real Love 134 7 0
59 Suffer 128 5 0
60 Disarm 124 6 0
61 X.Y.U. 122 5 1
62 Farewell and Goodnight 120 4 0
63 Glass and the Ghost Children 118 4 0
64 The Boy 116 4 0
65 Stumbleine 112 6 0
66 Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness 110 3 1

ufo, Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:16 (six years ago) link

For Martha is the kind of overblown epic that MCIS needed to end with. Unfortunately they didn't close Adore with it either.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:26 (six years ago) link

'for martha' would have been a great closer, it's true. i really love "blank page", though. the sound of beautiful exhaustion

Karl Malone, Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:27 (six years ago) link

pretty dope list so far tbh. aside from a few things i really can't stand, it's shaping up to be a killer "everything good about the band in one place" playlist. crazy to me that some really canonical songs only had like nine or eleven people voting for them. i could imagine we're about to hit a real jump point where everything showed up in at least half of the ballots. kinda thinking "drown" might take this as something i can't imagine anybody not putting somewhere in their 25. but there's a lot of heavy hitters that haven't shown up yet. only thirteen songs from my ballot have placed so far and of the ones that haven't i feel like the only one i can safely rule out at this point is "This Time."

explosion from DOOM courtesy of id software (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:35 (six years ago) link

I didn't get a chance to vote, but jesus this is a trip down memory lane. I didn't go much beyond Mellon Collie at the time, but this has brought back many stoned nights in my parent's garage. I'd have had Mayonnaise at #1 fwiw. Or maybe Snail.

Is it too obvious to mention how much Mogwai wanted to sound like Slint but actually nicked a huge chunk of their sound from Silverfuck?

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link

I don't know. I think This Time still has a good shot. "As the curtain falls we bid you all goodnight" packed a punch.

Fetchboy, Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:39 (six years ago) link

About nine songs from my ballot have made it so far; maayyyybe five more songs will join them in the final stretch.

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:40 (six years ago) link

Yeah Mogwai were basically an instrumental SD cover band early on. Then they got a lot worse as they tried to be Tortoise and got the Godspeed You Black Emperor disease.

Soundslike, Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:41 (six years ago) link

Fuck, every song that's placed in the Top 30 so far is a masterpiece.

Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 7 April 2018 17:52 (six years ago) link

For Martha too loooow

Simon H., Saturday, 7 April 2018 18:44 (six years ago) link

"Quiet" = great opening and riff, but the song goes nowhere and Billy's vocal leaves something to be desired. I usually listen to 15 seconds and then hit skip.

Sam Weller, Saturday, 7 April 2018 19:32 (six years ago) link

Ah “to forgive” made it! Had no idea it was that well liked and I was losing hope. First song I learned on guitar.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 7 April 2018 19:52 (six years ago) link

"Whir" was my #1 <3

had (crüt), Saturday, 7 April 2018 19:52 (six years ago) link

Yeah, I used to love that one. Probably deserved a spot on my ballot.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 7 April 2018 19:55 (six years ago) link

I think my #1 wont make it. Hope at least “set the ray to jerry” does.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 7 April 2018 20:17 (six years ago) link

Wish I could've voted for this. Alas.

FourLegsGood, Saturday, 7 April 2018 20:47 (six years ago) link

"Quiet" = great opening and riff, but the song goes nowhere and Billy's vocal leaves something to be desired. I usually listen to 15 seconds and then hit skip.


it’s a strange song, iirc Billy said he didn’t particularly like it, but it was more poppy & concise than Hello Kitty Kat, which was going to be the 2nd song on SD until very late in production. Not sure where Quiet would’ve gone, because it only works where it is. In the Pisces liner notes, Billy said “the ghosts of Gish said no no” re: Hello Kitty Kat

flappy bird, Saturday, 7 April 2018 21:00 (six years ago) link

Yeah, I used to love that one. Probably deserved a spot on my ballot.

cf "Silverfuck"

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 7 April 2018 21:01 (six years ago) link

Hello Kitty Kat is my favorite heavy Pumpkins song to play on guitar... the shift from the F# vamp in the verses to the G# - E chorus is so brutal.

flappy bird, Saturday, 7 April 2018 21:01 (six years ago) link

pretty dope list so far tbh. aside from a few things i really can't stand, it's shaping up to be a killer "everything good about the band in one place" playlist. crazy to me that some really canonical songs only had like nine or eleven people voting for them. i could imagine we're about to hit a real jump point where everything showed up in at least half of the ballots. kinda thinking "drown" might take this as something i can't imagine anybody not putting /somewhere/ in their 25. but there's a lot of heavy hitters that haven't shown up yet. only thirteen songs from my ballot have placed so far and of the ones that haven't i feel like the only one i can safely rule out at this point is "This Time."


Drown has the disadvantage of being a non album single that never appeared on a comp. I have no idea what the top 5 will look like other than 1979 and Mayo. Ruby and Porcelina must be in the top 10. Cherub Rock will place high.

flappy bird, Saturday, 7 April 2018 21:04 (six years ago) link

"Hummer" and "Soma" maybe (I hope)?

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 7 April 2018 21:16 (six years ago) link

I'm guessing 33 takes it in a walk.

Fetchboy, Saturday, 7 April 2018 21:17 (six years ago) link

Oh yeah Hummer and Soma are locks for top 10, maybe top 5. Thirty-three probably in the teens? Idk. Was in the teens on my ballot

flappy bird, Saturday, 7 April 2018 21:28 (six years ago) link

Feel like we could hit Hummer very soon tbh. Never knew anybody rated it so high until these threads - as far as SD consensus classics go i would expect Rocket, Mayonaise, Today and Cherub Rock to all outperform that one.

explosion from DOOM courtesy of id software (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 7 April 2018 21:35 (six years ago) link

i went 5/10 so far today and that upped my total.

Bee OK, Saturday, 7 April 2018 21:45 (six years ago) link

was having a very bad average.

Bee OK, Saturday, 7 April 2018 21:46 (six years ago) link

“Stand inside your love” will also make it if only for being the token pick for people wanting at least one song per album in there.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 7 April 2018 21:47 (six years ago) link

"Drown" is only for heart-core SP fans? I'd hope not...

Soundslike, Saturday, 7 April 2018 21:50 (six years ago) link

The version of Drown on the greatest hits is only 4 mins long. Ridiculous

droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 7 April 2018 21:54 (six years ago) link

"Drown" is only for heart-core SP fans? I'd hope not...


nah it just has the disadvantage of being on a various artists comp / is more beloved I believe by people that were around when it came out. But it is on the greatest hits.

flappy bird, Saturday, 7 April 2018 22:02 (six years ago) link

Rocket has gotta place high. In a way I think that’s their mission statement more than anything else. It was the first song they played at the “final show” on 12/2/2000.

flappy bird, Saturday, 7 April 2018 22:03 (six years ago) link

I've never been much of a Pumpkins fan outside of SD, a handful of MCIS and Pisces selections, and Drown (this is reflected in my fairly pedestrian ballot). But hearing the songs you guys have chosen outside of album context via the playlist has given me a new way in for a lot of this stuff.

how's life, Saturday, 7 April 2018 22:15 (six years ago) link

🤗🤗🤗

flappy bird, Saturday, 7 April 2018 22:20 (six years ago) link

wait a sec- besides “The Boy” - have any songs from The Aeroplane Flies High placed yer? Realizing “Meladori Magpie” and “Rotten Apples” probably aren’t going to place 😢

flappy bird, Saturday, 7 April 2018 22:22 (six years ago) link

Jerry will place surely.

Tim F, Saturday, 7 April 2018 22:28 (six years ago) link

I don't think so, flappy.

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 7 April 2018 22:28 (six years ago) link

If "Pistachio Medley" were gonna place, it'd have placed by now, probably.

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 7 April 2018 22:29 (six years ago) link

In re-listening to things for this poll, I got about 3 minutes into "Pistachio Medley."

Dangleballs and the Ballerina (cryptosicko), Saturday, 7 April 2018 22:31 (six years ago) link

Yeah. And yeah I’m guessing Set the Ray will be pretty high. Another good song I never understood the love for

flappy bird, Saturday, 7 April 2018 22:31 (six years ago) link

xp: you guys are nuts

Fetchboy, Saturday, 7 April 2018 22:32 (six years ago) link

In re-listening to things for this poll, I got about 3 minutes into "Pistachio Medley."


ahh! the Pastichio Medley is one of my favorite things they ever did. I love every riff, but more than that I love it as a tape collage piece. Like, you think they cover so much ground on MCIS, and then on the B side record there’s their own Revolution 9. Brilliant piece of work. I’d love to know how Billy put it together, it has the coherence of a structured tape piece, doesn’t sound like he was just punching in riffs at random.

flappy bird, Saturday, 7 April 2018 22:34 (six years ago) link

xp: you guys are nuts

― Fetchboy, Saturday, April 7, 2018 5:32 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I can't disagree there.

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 7 April 2018 22:37 (six years ago) link

Sorry, that was a horribly formed "joke"

Fetchboy, Saturday, 7 April 2018 22:38 (six years ago) link

No, really, we're nuts! :)

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 7 April 2018 22:43 (six years ago) link

lmao

flappy bird, Saturday, 7 April 2018 22:44 (six years ago) link

In addition to what flappy was saying about it, "Medley" also serves as the first formal peek behind the curtain that let us see just how insane the editing process to create MCIS must have been AND how massively prolific Corgan was at that moment in time.

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 7 April 2018 22:45 (six years ago) link


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