re: "perfect" i love the production, it and "1979" are the closest the pumpkins come to that kind of building-up-a-gentle-rock-song-sigh-by-sigh approach a la fleetwood mac
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 April 2018 02:15 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/Ci1FZfZ.jpg20. Perfect402 points, 17 votesFrom: Adore, 1998
― ufo, Sunday, 8 April 2018 02:17 (six years ago) link
perfect!
― jmm, Sunday, 8 April 2018 02:18 (six years ago) link
haha amazing timing
― flappy bird, Sunday, 8 April 2018 02:19 (six years ago) link
xxxxposts well and "landslide"further from stevie sigh territory but they coulda tore up "the ledge." i can totally hear billy whining out the vocal at rapid clip, and swapping in god knows what kind of frenetic guitar bombardment for the sped up rubber bands stretched over a cereal box played by lindsay buckingham.
― explosion from DOOM courtesy of id software (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 8 April 2018 02:20 (six years ago) link
Landslide in top 20 voids the poll. HKK was my #1. Frail & Bedazzled my #3. Those tracks are everything I love about the first two albums but just a bit faster, heavier, and/or catchier. Overdriven vocals on HKK allow them to sit in the mix like a bonus guitar.
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 8 April 2018 02:20 (six years ago) link
this was my no. 3
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 April 2018 02:20 (six years ago) link
Wait, what rule was this??
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, April 7, 2018 10:14 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i explained upthread but in order to make putting a ballot of only 25 songs together possible i nixed all songs that i prefer live and find staid in comparison on the albums: geek, siva, fuck you, i am one, silverfuck, quiet, ruby (only because of the missing outro jam). it's not even a "songs vs. performance pieces" thing, it was just a means to an end to make a ballot like this possible.
― flappy bird, Sunday, 8 April 2018 02:21 (six years ago) link
HKK was my #1.
thank you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03ENJ7QbrII
― flappy bird, Sunday, 8 April 2018 02:22 (six years ago) link
idk, "perfect" just never got stuck in my head or made me feel anything. cool that people like it but to me it feels like a harbinger of machina - the desire to do an x-type song (this'll be a soft, precious ballad!) but billy's well has suddenly run dry and he has only ordinary songs when he wants extraordinary expressions of these feelings.
― explosion from DOOM courtesy of id software (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 8 April 2018 02:23 (six years ago) link
(one of only two videos of SD era performances of HKK) xp
― flappy bird, Sunday, 8 April 2018 02:23 (six years ago) link
I barely remember "Perfect," and only as a pale sequel to '1979' which was already Corgan trying to do something other bands would'be done better and that even then would've been forgotten as a "I Love the 90s" dustbin liner a la "Isn't It Ironic" or the like. People felt the loss at the time, it's weird that the passing of time seems to have made it less clear for ILMers when it's just become more stark with decades of separation for perspective. But I have very little nostalgia for the 90s, musically, so maybe I'm too harsh.
― Soundslike, Sunday, 8 April 2018 02:38 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/Pwx86hx.jpg19. Obscured426 points, 15 votesFrom: Today single, 1993 and Pisces Iscariot, 1994
― ufo, Sunday, 8 April 2018 02:39 (six years ago) link
xp More stark for me, I meant to say.
― Soundslike, Sunday, 8 April 2018 02:40 (six years ago) link
Contrast: "Obscured," which has aged better than almost any other SP.
― Soundslike, Sunday, 8 April 2018 02:41 (six years ago) link
was not expecting this.
― Bee OK, Sunday, 8 April 2018 02:41 (six years ago) link
Nice placement for Obscured! It's absolutely gorgeous.
― jmm, Sunday, 8 April 2018 02:43 (six years ago) link
Spotify: ILM Smashing Pumpkins
up to date thanks to others.
― Bee OK, Sunday, 8 April 2018 02:43 (six years ago) link
People felt the loss at the time, it's weird that the passing of time seems to have made it less clear for ILMers
.... what
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 April 2018 02:46 (six years ago) link
And what bands would've done 1979 better?
― Fetchboy, Sunday, 8 April 2018 02:54 (six years ago) link
At the time everyone I knew who'd been a fan (or super-fan) understood by 'Adore' or earlier that SP had lost the tack. And I seem to recall that being the critical and popular sentiment, too. For lots of ILMers, though, time seems to have leveled all of their work even through 'Machina'. Whereas for me, the passage of time has removed all of the emotional invesment I had in the band as a young person to make the degradation post-Pisces even more stark. Which just leaves me trying to figure what people see now in something like "Perfect" to rank it so high.
― Soundslike, Sunday, 8 April 2018 02:54 (six years ago) link
"Perfect" is gorgeous and should have been one of their absolute biggest hits
lmao at Billy's sunglasses in the SNL clip
― Simon H., Sunday, 8 April 2018 02:55 (six years ago) link
Ehh, half the people I knew thought SP lost the tack after Gish. For a band that evolved at the pace they did there will always be people who would rather them stick to whatever they might consider the band's strengths.
― Fetchboy, Sunday, 8 April 2018 02:58 (six years ago) link
I guess what I meant is it just feels generically dated to 1995/96.
But maybe The Cardigans, for it to have been good? It sounded more like a Garbage song than SP, at the time. But I think it might've been best as a propery pop song, Kylie Minogue or Spice Girls or something.
― Soundslike, Sunday, 8 April 2018 02:59 (six years ago) link
I could def hear that, I think I even posted that in the campaigning thread
― Simon H., Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:01 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/zqFvnWi.jpg18. Stand Inside Your Love430 points, 16 votes, 1 #1 voteFrom: Machina/The Machines of God, 2000
https://i.imgur.com/GqBYgzh.jpg18. Geek U.S.A.430 points, 17 votesFrom: Siamese Dream, 1993
― ufo, Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:02 (six years ago) link
shit, are we going to #1 tonight?
"Geek U.S.A." is fuckin unstoppable
― Simon H., Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:03 (six years ago) link
Shot full of diamonds.
― Fetchboy, Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:04 (six years ago) link
WORDS CAN'T DEFINE WHAT I FEEL INSIDE
this should have been my #1
― jmm, Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:05 (six years ago) link
Fuck yeah
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:08 (six years ago) link
going to #11 now, top 10 will be later (tomorrow for americans)
one thing I really like in Stand Inside Your Love is the way the first pre-chorus seems like it's going to be the loud chorus to contrast with the quieter verse though in the overcompressed Machina way, but then with "DREAM!" the real chorus kicks in which is actually loud. their last great pop song
― ufo, Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:09 (six years ago) link
Glad to see "Obscured" place so high even though I didn't vote for it.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:10 (six years ago) link
This is my favourite SP clip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t50AitbL4II
― jmm, Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:10 (six years ago) link
"Stand Inside Your Love" was the track I had trouble getting through in my forced machina listens, which was a shame because I eventually found out that I really like "Wound".
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:14 (six years ago) link
it really bugs me that "Who wouldn't be the one you love" has the same cadence as "don't wanna be your monkey wrench"
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:17 (six years ago) link
my favorite thing about the clowns video is that only billy seems to find it remotely amusing
― Simon H., Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:19 (six years ago) link
I mean, "Geek U.S.A." and "Stand Inside Your Love" tying seems like evidence there are potentially populations of listeners looking for *very* different things from SP. Which I guess makes them interesting as a band. But to me, the latter is so static--even in its "loud/soft" dynamics"--that it can't hold interest for more than a minute; while "Geek U.S.A." has genuine dynamics and depth and variety, while cohering very well as a song and as part of the vision of 'Siamese Dream'.
― Soundslike, Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:23 (six years ago) link
― flappy bird, Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:23 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/DMVGXnw.jpg16. Here is No Why432 points, 15 votes, 1 #1 voteFrom: Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, 1995
― ufo, Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:25 (six years ago) link
I mean, "Geek U.S.A." and "Stand Inside Your Love" tying seems like evidence there are potentially populations of listeners looking for *very* different things from SP. Which I guess makes them interesting as a band.
― flappy bird, Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:25 (six years ago) link
Ah, the useless drag of another day
― flappy bird, Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:26 (six years ago) link
such a great solo
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:27 (six years ago) link
Such a great opening line. A really idiosyncratic rock song, so glammy, it has like 9 hooks, pure ear candy. And the best solo Billy ever wrote.
― flappy bird, Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:27 (six years ago) link
re: Soundslike - i think it’s the difference between experiencing a band in real time & discovering the body of work after it’s been completed
― flappy bird, Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:29 (six years ago) link
The sequencing for this song is so perfect, too. Coming right after jellybelly and zero and right before BWBW almost disguises how much of a fuckin rocker it is. And steamrolling out of the solo into "if you're giving in" is genius.
― Fetchboy, Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:33 (six years ago) link
FUCK YES HERE IS NO WHY
bless u #1 voter
― Simon H., Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:33 (six years ago) link
I’ve never heard a more annoying cadence / forced syllable rhyme scheme whatever than “he pulls his hair down”
― flappy bird, Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:36 (six years ago) link
IT SHOULD BE SomewherePeople tear downOver a frowning smile
― flappy bird, Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:37 (six years ago) link
Whereas for me, the passage of time has removed all of the emotional invesment I had in the band as a young person to make the degradation post-Pisces even more stark. Which just leaves me trying to figure what people see now in something like "Perfect" to rank it so high.
― Soundslike, Sunday, 8 April 2018 02:54 (thirty-six minutes ago)
Huh, opposite for me (as someone else who hadn't revisited them since the 90s) - decided not to put anything from SD on the ballot as the removal of emotional investment etc makes me realise I can listen to My Bloody Valentine if I want layers of guitar etc, without those techniques smeared over what might as well be Rush/Aerosmith/etc songs (no slight on those bands, just not my cup of tea; had no idea of anything outside the Pumpkins as a small-town teen and didn't know classic rock radio stuff they drew on); "Perfect" and the like don't inspire that visceral queasiness.
― etc, Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:44 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/e2HsQAo.jpg15. Porcelina of the Vast Oceans460 points, 19 votesFrom: Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, 1995
― ufo, Sunday, 8 April 2018 03:45 (six years ago) link