"drown" is the perfect gish/sd transitional track i think, even more than "starla" which feels like its own thing. you can hear where they are and where they're going simultaneously
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:16 (six years ago) link
Through its ascending repetition, it's almost like a Reich or Glass piece, except as an ode to the elevating potential of Rock. It's in many ways the opposite of most things I look for in music, especially in guitar-and-bass-and-drums-based music. Which only makes me trust my love of it more--and it's been almost the only SP song I've felt the need to put on periodically over the last 20 years since I otherwise walked away. It still gives me the same feeling of soaring, yearning possibility as when I was 14 and Smashing Pumpkins meant the world to me. For me, "Starla" is Smashing Pumpkins.
Controp: "Starla" always bums me out a little because it seems like it's going for what I DO often look for in music but it always seems like there's something missing from that huge solo and climax; it's just a little too basic and lands slightly off the mark. I'll try one more time.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:19 (six years ago) link
smoke some w33d beforehand imo
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:20 (six years ago) link
Huh, that might be what's missing.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:22 (six years ago) link
oh wait sorry i did not mean to be extremely dismissive about "cherub rock" itt bc you know how on the last repetition of the chorus there's that, like, really bright chord droning through the whole thing? that's the best thing in the sp catalog
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:22 (six years ago) link
last minute or so of "cherub" is really a guitar symphony
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:23 (six years ago) link
idk I love "starla" but I don't partoke xxp
― Simon H., Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:23 (six years ago) link
lol sorry to bring up weed i'm just a big stoner these days
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:24 (six years ago) link
(bc of anxiety and i gave up drinking)
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:25 (six years ago) link
but "starla" *is* really great... on weed
So I guess "Today" and "Rocket" are 1 and 2? Interesting.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:26 (six years ago) link
It's awesome that so many people are apparently discovering "Drown" for the firdt time--because that suggests almost everyone who *did* know it had it very high in their lists. Wonder if it has the highest median/mean/average position?
― Soundslike, Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:26 (six years ago) link
"drown" was actually in the lower reaches of my list but that's no knock against it considering at least half of the ballot was vying for no. 1 simultaneously
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:27 (six years ago) link
https://media.giphy.com/media/Chnyt9Au7DZW8/giphy.gif
― flappy bird, Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:27 (six years ago) link
Okay, Googled and revisited "Drown." Coming back to me now.
Here's the problem, probably: I didn't encounter drown until 2002 or 2003, when I copped the Pumpkins' best-of. Never heard the Singles soundtrack; no one hipped me to this song. It was never something I experienced in the bloom of my Pumpkins fandom (which, to be honest, has been done for a while) and so it came across as just another really nice, Pumpkins Prime jam - like encountering Nirvana's "You Know You're Right" whenever that emerged.
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:27 (six years ago) link
tfw you're "1979" and maybe you won the ilm smashing pumpkins poll xp
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:28 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/nhR8Ytf.jpg2. 19791152 points, 31 votes, 3 #1 votesFrom: Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, 1995
https://i.imgur.com/N1rWpjg.jpg1. Mayonaise1258 points, 33 votes, 3 #1 votesFrom: Siamese Dream, 1993
― ufo, Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:29 (six years ago) link
!
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:30 (six years ago) link
Oh, I forgot that "1979" hasn't come up yet. That's a lock. And I somehow missed that "Today" and "Rocket" both placed already. Huh, I wonder what #2 would be. xps!
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:31 (six years ago) link
ayyyy just as it should be
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:31 (six years ago) link
YESSSSSSSS
― Simon H., Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:31 (six years ago) link
33 votes
:D
Mayonaise was a long way ahead the entire time, 1979 only managed to catch up as much as this at the very end of voting. both perfect songs
― ufo, Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:31 (six years ago) link
"1979" is perfect but it's too much of an outlier to feel right as #1 to me
When I first heard SD, "Mayonaise" might have been the one that blew me away the most, that encapsulated everything that was great about the album in one hooky package. It only ended up at #13 on my ballot but it's a fitting winner.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:32 (six years ago) link
I voted for neither of the top two, but they're nice enough songs. Well done, ILM!
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:33 (six years ago) link
Love the clean pinch harmonics in the intro solo, the feedback squeals, the unforgettable riff.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:34 (six years ago) link
oh shout out to the "YEAH IIIIIIIII WANT SOMETHING NEW" part of "hummer" btw
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:34 (six years ago) link
Ha, yet again, I didn't know that's what he was singing there, in my #1 song.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:35 (six years ago) link
hope everyone enjoyed the poll, there was a lot of great discussion from all, thanks for participating!
here are the full results:
1 Mayonaise 1258 33 32 1979 1152 31 33 Drown 920 26 34 Hummer 888 24 55 Soma 844 24 46 Cherub Rock 830 25 17 Thirty-Three 720 27 18 Rhinoceros 602 23 09 Starla 564 18 110 Thru The Eyes of Ruby 558 17 211 Set the Ray to Jerry 520 18 013 Rocket 518 19 213 Galapogos 518 18 014 Today 502 18 015 Porcelina of the Vast Oceans 460 19 016 Here Is No Why 432 15 118 Stand Inside Your Love 430 16 118 Geek U.S.A. 430 17 019 Obscured 426 15 020 Perfect 402 17 021 For Martha 380 15 122 Muzzle 358 14 023 Tonight, Tonight 348 14 024 Silverfuck 338 13 025 Whir 336 11 126 Zero 328 13 027 Frail and Bedazzled 322 11 128 Siva 314 13 129 Snail 310 11 030 Hello Kitty Kat 294 14 131 Shame 274 10 032 To Forgive 266 9 033 Appels + Oranjes 250 9 035 I Am One 234 9 035 Beautiful 234 9 136 Quiet 232 9 037 Bullet With Butterfly Wings 228 9 038 Bodies 226 8 039 Love 216 11 040 Bury Me 214 10 041 Luna 208 10 042 To Sheila 196 10 143 Behold! The Night Mare 188 8 044 Glynis 184 8 045 Blank Page 180 9 046 Eye 172 9 047 Where Boys Fear To Tread 170 7 048 By Starlight 162 9 049 Cupid de Locke 156 9 052 Age of Innocence 154 5 052 Crush 154 6 152 I of the Mourning 154 5 153 Pug 150 6 056 Spaceboy 142 6 056 Ava Adore 142 6 056 Wound 142 7 058 Tear 134 4 058 Real Love 134 7 059 Suffer 128 5 060 Disarm 124 6 061 X.Y.U. 122 5 162 Farewell and Goodnight 120 4 063 Glass and the Ghost Children 118 4 064 The Boy 116 4 065 Stumbleine 112 6 066 Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness 110 3 167 Blew Away 102 5 068 Once Upon A Time 100 4 069 Pennies 98 3 170 We Only Come Out At Night 96 4 071 Jellybelly 96 5 072 Tristessa 92 4 073 This Time 90 4 074 Annie-Dog 82 3 075 Soothe 78 3 076 Pissant 74 4 077 Daphne Descends 74 3 078 Crestfallen 72 3 079 Plume 72 3 080 Home 62 3 081 Mouths of Babes 62 3 082 The Imploding Voice 60 3 083 Let Me Give the World To You 58 5 084 Fuck You (An Ode To No One) 58 3 085 In the Arms of Sleep 58 2 086 Daydream 52 5 087 The Sacred and Profane 52 2 088 Try, Try, Try 52 3 089 Here's to the Atom Bomb 50 1 190 Sweet Sweet 50 3 091 Medellia of the Gray Skies 48 5 092 The End is the Beginning Is The End 48 1 093 Cash Car Star 46 1 094 Rotten Apples 46 2 095 Meladori Magpie 42 1 096 La Dolly Vita 40 2 097 Jupiter's Lament 38 1 098 Raindrops + Sunshowers 36 1 099 Dreaming 36 1 0100 Landslide 34 4 0101 With Every Light 34 1 0102 Cherry 32 3 0103 White Spyder 30 1 0104 Tales Of A Scorched Earth 30 2 0105 Ugly 30 3 0106 Blue 28 1 0107 Take Me Down 28 1 0108 Lily (my One And Only) 24 1 0109 Believe 24 1 0110 Once in a While 22 1 0111 The Beginning Is The End Is The Beginning 20 1 0112 Clones (We're All) 20 1 0113 Tarantula 16 1 0114 Pulseczar 16 1 0115 Vanity 12 1 0116 Window Paine 10 1 0117 If There is a God 10 1 0118 Pastichio Medley 8 2 0119 ...said sadly 8 1 0120 The Everlasting Gaze 8 1 0121 Slunk 8 1 0122 Dross 6 1 0123 Satur9 6 1 0124 Go 6 1 0125 Marquis in Spades 6 2 0126 Purr Snickety 2 1 0127 The Chimera 2 1 0128 Apathy’s Last Kiss 2 1 0129 Bugg Superstar 2 1 0
― ufo, Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:36 (six years ago) link
neither did i until i looked it up now tbh xp
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:36 (six years ago) link
Proud of you, 1979!
https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/geeky_collector/14005782/1464402/1464402_original.jpg
― jmm, Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:36 (six years ago) link
my favorite part in Hummer brad xp
― flappy bird, Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:36 (six years ago) link
129 Bugg Superstar 2 1 0
oh fucking hell yeah
thank u ufo for doing this it has been the highlight of a real terrible month
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:37 (six years ago) link
I almost forgot to vote for Mayonaise! A worthy winner for sure.
― Gavin, Leeds, Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:38 (six years ago) link
89 Here's to the Atom Bomb 50 1 1
There's my #1.
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:38 (six years ago) link
thank you ufo!!!!!!!!!everyone post your ballots!!!
― flappy bird, Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:38 (six years ago) link
^^^
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:39 (six years ago) link
my ballot, bolded didn't place:
I of the MourningThirty-ThreePerfectWoundRhinocerosSet the Ray to JerryHummerHere is No WhyWith Every LightFor MarthaAge of InnocenceThru the Eyes of RubyShameWhirPorcelina of the Vast OceansMayonaiseStarlaCrestfallenGlynisStumbleineBlank PageMouths of BabesDrownAppels + OranjesEye
all of three songs lol
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:40 (six years ago) link
1979MayonaiseHummerDrownTonight, TonightBehold! The Night MareSomaGalapogosThirty-ThreeBeautifulThru The Eyes of RubyCherub RockReal LoveBlew AwayTodayJellybellyPerfectFor MarthaTo SheilaLunaBy StarlightPorcelina of the Vast OceansStand Inside Your LoveRhinocerosDisarm
biggest disappointment was seeing Blew Away end up at 67 lol
― ufo, Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:40 (six years ago) link
Seriously, Smashing Pumpkins got me through a really hard middle of March.
― jmm, Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:40 (six years ago) link
"jellybelly" didn't place :O
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:41 (six years ago) link
i mean it placed at 71 but still
Only one vote for Everlasting Gaze.
― jmm, Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:42 (six years ago) link
My ballot; bolded didn't place:
HummerCherub RockSomaHello Kitty KatBodiesQuiet ZeroRocketToday1979I of the MourningGeek USAMayonaiseFrail and BedazzledRhinocerosPorcelina of the Vast OceansTonight TonightThru the Eyes of RubyThirty-ThreeStand Inside Your LoveReal LoveLovePissantLa Dolly VitaShame
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:42 (six years ago) link
Thanks ufo, this has been a really great poll, so much fun.
― Gavin, Leeds, Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:42 (six years ago) link
I was surprised With Every Light didn't place, that's one of the real highlights on Machina, so pretty even though it's all buried in the mix. also regret not voting for Jupiter's Lament, the barbershop version is probably my favourite discovery from doing this poll.
― ufo, Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:43 (six years ago) link
i think the only song i don't like in the complete results is the "dreaming" cover
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:43 (six years ago) link
Drown1979Cherub RockMayonaiseGlynisSomaTodayAppels + OranjesSivaAva AdoreStarlaObscuredBullet with Butterfly WingsSweet SweetLet Me Give The World To YouHello Kitty KatI Am OneHummerThis TimeRhinocerosZeroPerfectGeek USAGalapogosStand Inside Your Love
― droit au butt (Euler), Sunday, 8 April 2018 16:43 (six years ago) link