Adore is for me what a lot of noise albums are: a whole as an album, tough to think of as individual tracks.
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 8 April 2018 23:12 (six years ago) link
me too. even though each song is pretty different. really strange
― flappy bird, Sunday, 8 April 2018 23:16 (six years ago) link
Right? Adore has this gauze over it that gels so many disparate styles and songs together and makes it even more of a whole than Gish or MCIS.
i think the strong visual aesthetic of Adore contributes at least a bit to the cohesive feel of the music. when i think of adore i instantly think of the cover and the CD booklet, the dark monochrome colors, festering billy prowling around the 'Ava Adore' video, the everpresent gothic vibe. some of the other albums also had iconic imagery (the cover of MCIS bleeding into the world of the 'Tonight Tonight' video, the SD twins) but didn't present as complete a world as the pain in the Adore imagery (imo). i know it's kind of bullshit to claim that all that has an effect on how you hear the music itself, but for me it did.
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 8 April 2018 23:31 (six years ago) link
i've been listening to a lot more earlier SP as a result of this poll! it's been a very enjoyable ride. one idea that i'm considering is that the earlier stuff (through SD) really needed guitars in order to work, but as they progressed the songwriting got a bit more conventional but also more refined - most of Adore could be performed on non-guitars and it would still work just as well, and i'm not sure that's true of SD.
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 8 April 2018 23:34 (six years ago) link
1. Thru the Eyes of Ruby2. This Time3. Muzzle4. Behold! The Night Mare5. 19796. Mayonaise7. Here Is No Why8. Tear9. The Sacred and Profane10. To Forgive11. Galapagos12. For Martha13. Wound14. Shame15. Glass and the Ghost Children16. Porcelina of the Vast Oceans17. Soma18. Let Me Give the World To You19. Spaceboy20. The Imploding Voice21. Real Love22. Perfect23. Thirty-Three24. To Sheila25. Daphne Descends
― Nourry, Sunday, 8 April 2018 23:38 (six years ago) link
KM totally otm though I'd add that I "hear" the music on SD as more "red" and warm-toned and daytimey and MCIS as more "blue" and night-timey. No matter how sonically similar they are in places - like, the riff on "Silverfuck" has this messy fiery roaring quality, the riff on "Zero" is meaner, steelier.... idk this is pretty dumb and utterly subjective but it's there in how I hear the records.
― explosion from DOOM courtesy of id software (Doctor Casino), Monday, 9 April 2018 00:01 (six years ago) link
I agree. SD is very orange / beige / white, Gish is purple, but MCIS is all over the place. Adore is very grey. I realize these are more or less the colors on the albums' respective colors. alas-
― flappy bird, Monday, 9 April 2018 00:05 (six years ago) link
I am longtime lurker on the ILX, but this is the first poll in which I voted. Been following the rollout with much excitement the last few days. Drown was my #1, but I was also the lone vote for Apathy’s Last Kiss, which I initially had much higher but ultimately put it at 25. It was a song that I remember spending so much time tracking down from my early days as a fan. Never could track down a copy of the Siamese Singles box set, so I first heard it on the Japanese-only import of the Today single. I must have played that song hundreds of times in the 90s, but hadn’t played it in at least 15 years until this poll. Still love it. Another song I would have loved to include was Blissed and Gone, but I think they kind of ruined that one in the studio. I used to play the early live version all the time.
― Bofus, Monday, 9 April 2018 02:18 (six years ago) link
thank you for voting!!
― had (crüt), Monday, 9 April 2018 02:21 (six years ago) link
agreed the final studio version of blissed and gone blows
― flappy bird, Monday, 9 April 2018 02:33 (six years ago) link
Yeah, the studio version always bothered me. I really think it could have been a perfect fit for Adore if done differently. I also read the posts about how older fans at the time were disappointed in Adore, but I didn't have any misgivings about SP until Machina. Saw them on the Adore tour in Nashville and I will never forget that version of Crestfallen. Depending on the day, Adore could just as easily be my number one as SD or PI. For this poll, I rated them SD > PI > Adore > MCIS > Gish.
― Bofus, Monday, 9 April 2018 02:51 (six years ago) link
i think the studio blissed and gone sounds awesome haters
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 9 April 2018 05:24 (six years ago) link
1. Thru the Eyes of Ruby2. Today3. 19794. Here is No Why5. Appels + Oranjes6. We Only Come Out at Night7. Soma8. Raindrops + Sunshowers9. By Starlight10. Shame11. For Martha12. To Forgive13. Behold! The Night Mare14. Mayonaise15. Once in a While16. Farewell and Goodnight17. The Sacred and Profane18. Hello Kitty Kat19. In the Arms of Sleep20. Thirty-Three21. Pug22. Set the Ray to Jerry23. Zero24. Obscured25. Starla
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 9 April 2018 05:28 (six years ago) link
Great show, 24 years ago today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taHmIjIDOXc
RocketQuietDisarmSnailCherub RockSomaHummerGeek U.S.A.LunaTodaySiva---Starla--I Am One (with rant)Mayonaise---(instrumental jam) > Suffer (tease)Silverfuck > Never Let Me Down [Depeche Mode] (tease) > Over the Rainbow [Harburg/Arlen] (tease)Sweet Sweet
― flappy bird, Monday, 9 April 2018 05:31 (six years ago) link
RocketCherub RockDaphne DescendsBodiesSilverfuckStand Inside Your LoveShame1979LunaMayonnaiseDisarmReal LoveThirty threeXYUTonight TonightDrownBullet With Butterfly WingsSweet SweetZeroLoveCupid de LockePerfectTo SheilaLet Me Give the World to YouRhinoceros
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 9 April 2018 07:45 (six years ago) link
This was such an amazing poll, probably the best one I've participated in on ILM. It'll take me a while to unpack everything that came up during these long, long discussions. Thanks ufo!
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Monday, 9 April 2018 07:56 (six years ago) link
We should have a "best moment on an SP song" poll. In my top 5: how Billy sings "Cheshire cat" on "Frail and Bedazzled": "caaahahahat!"
― Sam Weller, Monday, 9 April 2018 08:35 (six years ago) link
Thanks so much for doing this UFO.
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 9 April 2018 09:00 (six years ago) link
Thanks so much for running this poll, ufo.
DrownMayonnaiseSomaGeek USASivaStand Inside Your Love1979Whir Cherub RockStarlaBury MeWhere Boys Fear to TreadFrail and BedazzledCrestfallenBodies Set the Ray to JerryHello Kitty KatShameRocketThru the Eyes of RubyGlynis Thirty-ThreeI Am OneSilverfuckApathy’s Last Kiss
― Bofus, Monday, 9 April 2018 10:39 (six years ago) link
Adore is for me what a lot of noise albums are: a whole as an album, tough to think of as individual tracks.― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 8 April 2018 23:12 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinkme too. even though each song is pretty different. really strange― flappy bird, Sunday, 8 April 2018 23:16 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkRight? Adore has this gauze over it that gels so many disparate styles and songs together and makes it even more of a whole than Gish or MCIS.― flappy bird, Sunday, 8 April 2018 23:16 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalinki think the strong visual aesthetic of Adore contributes at least a bit to the cohesive feel of the music. when i think of adore i instantly think of the cover and the CD booklet, the dark monochrome colors, festering billy prowling around the 'Ava Adore' video, the everpresent gothic vibe. some of the other albums also had iconic imagery (the cover of MCIS bleeding into the world of the 'Tonight Tonight' video, the SD twins) but didn't present as complete a world as the pain in the Adore imagery (imo). i know it's kind of bullshit to claim that all that has an effect on how you hear the music itself, but for me it did.― Karl Malone, Sunday, 8 April 2018 23:31 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 8 April 2018 23:12 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― flappy bird, Sunday, 8 April 2018 23:16 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 8 April 2018 23:31 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This all rings very true to me although the poll has had me focussing on individual Adore tracks more (e.g. the discussion about the structure of Behold! The Night-Mare), which has definitely elevated the album in my estimation. I might rank it above Machina I at this point.
― Gavin, Leeds, Monday, 9 April 2018 10:51 (six years ago) link
That's a great top 10, can't find much to fault with the possible exception of the high placing of Thirty Three. I didn't vote but Hummer, Drown, Mayonaise, Rhinoceros, Cherub Rock and Thru The Eyes of Ruby would all have been in my personal top 10. I guess I have a type.
― Matt DC, Monday, 9 April 2018 11:20 (six years ago) link
Oh and 1979 but everyone says 1979.
― Sam Weller, Monday, April 9, 2018 4:35 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
-when the guitars come in on Porcelina-beginning and ending of Jellybelly-second verse of I of the Mourning-"i catch the rainfall" verse in Blank Page-"angel / barbed wire / FUCK YOU / deeeesiiiiiiire" at the end of Marquis in Spades
― flappy bird, Monday, 9 April 2018 16:37 (six years ago) link
Pretty sure it's the bridge/change soaring into "YEAHHHH I WANT SOMETHING NEW" in Hummer
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 9 April 2018 16:46 (six years ago) link
wonder if hummer would win a poll of all tracks by any artist that begin with the telephone filter intro before BIG MOMENT OF CLARITY
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 9 April 2018 16:54 (six years ago) link
on one hand, I want the full results (>66) in the spotify playlist. on the other hand, it's so perfect that this playlist opens with mellon collie.
― Tapes 'n Tapes of Osho (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 9 April 2018 17:58 (six years ago) link
best sp moments:
- last three minutes of "for martha" really- the entire chorus of snail but especially "softly... SIIIIIREN! coming home! SIIIIIREN! ....snaiiiiil"- "what is it you want to change"
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 9 April 2018 18:03 (six years ago) link
the barely audible "uhn!" that Billy does in time with the snare that follows the line "for june angels." didn't hear this until 3 years ago or so. happens at 3:14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVuN2qTCg0Y
― flappy bird, Monday, 9 April 2018 18:17 (six years ago) link
- last three minutes of "for martha" really
so otm
― Karl Malone, Monday, 9 April 2018 18:26 (six years ago) link
I'm listening to Billy Corgan's Spotify playlist
https://open.spotify.com/user/11lpnx8l3jmzbwe2amx4684hm/playlist/2KX7eHWHDfe2xQ3tJWxlIs?si=tyMx48DCQyiGgyPeA4Btsg
― had (crüt), Monday, 9 April 2018 18:27 (six years ago) link
- Soft second verse of Snail: "Flower, the pain will wash away, away"- "One last kiss for me, yeah / One last kiss goodnight"- "I shall be free"- na na na na na na na- "The sun shines, but I don't / A silver rain will wash away"
― jmm, Monday, 9 April 2018 18:36 (six years ago) link
^^^ all classic
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 9 April 2018 18:39 (six years ago) link
that hilarious tag at the end of Love. "beeooww!"
― flappy bird, Monday, 9 April 2018 18:42 (six years ago) link
I'm not sure what single moment to pick from Hummer. The way that song moves and develops is so perfect.
― jmm, Monday, 9 April 2018 18:44 (six years ago) link
― had (crüt), Monday, April 9, 2018 11:27 AM (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lmao there are 33 songs on this playlist
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 9 April 2018 18:55 (six years ago) link
- "The sun shines, but I don't / A silver rain will wash away"
― jmm, Monday, April 9, 2018 6:36 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This this this this this <3
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 9 April 2018 19:01 (six years ago) link
every time Billy shouts "you!!!" and launches into a solo
― Simon H., Monday, 9 April 2018 19:02 (six years ago) link
xp I hadn't noticed before, but I wonder whether that was a deliberate reference back to the verse in Snail. "Flower, the pain will wash away / When the sun shines / Climbs through your window"
― jmm, Monday, 9 April 2018 19:05 (six years ago) link
idk if it's a deliberate reference so much as rain tends to fall on everyone
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 9 April 2018 19:07 (six years ago) link
:D
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 9 April 2018 19:08 (six years ago) link
Billy sure likes his 'key words', sun shining, flowers, trees. Not sure if it's a deliberate ref to Snail, but it's most def a reference to Corgan himself, of yore.
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 9 April 2018 19:09 (six years ago) link
Ya Brad otm :D
- outro to Whir
― jmm, Monday, 9 April 2018 19:15 (six years ago) link
oh yeah
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 9 April 2018 19:19 (six years ago) link
outro to Hummer
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 9 April 2018 19:19 (six years ago) link
"cause I want you to stay" in 'In The Arms of Sleep" with the "wee-oh wee-oh" theremin-like sounds in the back.
― lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 9 April 2018 19:20 (six years ago) link
you're all I notice, in a crowded room
I. just. want. to beeeeeeeeeeee me!
Time is never time at all
― Fetchboy, Monday, 9 April 2018 19:25 (six years ago) link
This would be my pick
― Gavin, Leeds, Monday, 9 April 2018 20:15 (six years ago) link
- "destroy / despise / distrust / disobey / destroy / distrust / disloyal / disarm / destroy / despise / dissect / deny / destroy / despise / distrust" in the background of the second chorus of Bodies
― etc, Monday, 9 April 2018 20:18 (six years ago) link