the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

yeah but Tories have always had to learn to affect ignorance of the mob, it's the dorks sitting for a party named after the class it was formed to represent that need to get taken out back and shot have a good long think about their motivations and beliefs

on another level i'm not sure Marx ever fully realised what would happen when the working class and the consuming class became so heavily one and the same but maybe somebody in the last 150 years could've had a think about it a bit harder than Peter Mandelson.

But but where are all those legitimate concerns coming from? Surely not Paul Dacre?

i'd love to hear what the sensible left's objections are to the direction under Corbyn if you stripped away the personality and the foreign policy stuff - none of the latter has much effect on electoral choices except amongst hardcore nutters anyway i suspect.

I mean I'm loathe to be the mouthpiece of a position that I have zero sympathy for, but I don't think the objections are difficult to sum up: attacking the ultra-rich and corporations will lead to wealth fleeing the country (already at risk through losing the common market), leaving us isolated and w/o the means to finance the well-intentioned projects Corbyn & Co would have in store. Of course there are solutions to that, but they are radical enough overhauls of the current system that sensible left types will wave them away as totally impracticable and also dangerous (current system the worst except for all the others etc. etc.).

i was gonna tack on something about being economically "sensible" yeah but the argument as you decribe it is basically an argument for their own pointlessness as a political movement

my parents' objection to corbyn is 'we still remember the three-day week!' which i imagine is a chilling warning from history for the pensioner set but sounds like an ideal amount of working week to me tbh

A (genuinely) sensible approach would be to look at countries that have high levels of capital investment AND high levels of social protection/low levels of inequality. Whether those solutions would translate to a country with the same media and political landscape as ours is a different question.

why do journalists insist on asking politicians about their 'naughty' past

Harriet Harman has said she has accepted an apology from a Tory MP for hacking into her website and altering its contents.

Kemi Badenoch, the MP for Saffron Walden and a rising star in the Conservative party, made the confession in a video interview unearthed this week.

Asked about the “naughtiest” thing she had done, Badenoch said: “About 10 years ago, I hacked into a Labour MP’s website and I changed stuff in there to say nice things about Tories.”

She told the Mail on Sunday, which obtained the video: “This was a foolish prank over a decade ago, for which I apologise.”

The newspaper quoted an anonymous Conservative HQ source who said Badenoch had guessed the password to Harman’s website but not carried out “real hacking”.

Harman, a former deputy Labour leader, tweeted: “@KemiBadenoch has written to me apologising. I have accepted her apology.”

Though Badenoch did not name the Labour MP, it was reported in 2008 that Harman’s personal website had been hacked, with posts announcing her defection to the Conservatives and calling on Londoners to back Boris Johnson for mayor of London.

At the time, the hacker told the rightwing site Guido Fawkes they got into Harman’s website with a guessable password, and added a fake blog entry.

A PhD researcher said he had submitted a crime report to the UK’s national reporting centre for fraud and cybercrime.

still, lock 'em both up obv

posts announcing her defection to the Conservatives

took them 6 months to realise the account was hacked

i wonder what the password was

probably 'harriet4pm'

how dare someone do something so disgraceful to Harriet Harman, who was a member of the Paedophile Information Exchange affiliated NCCL until '82, during a period where she campaigned on their behalf to water down child pornography laws. She is such a class act!

Harman / Hewitt were pretty good campaigning solicitors before they went into politics imo, despite the NCCL’s more egregiously 70s libertarian aspects.

At the time, the hacker told the rightwing site Guido Fawkes

ffs

"NCCL’s more egregiously 70s libertarian aspects"

that's one way of putting it!

Life of PIE lol

When come back bring PIE

more like Jonathan PIE amirite?

actually that'd probably be funnier than the one that exists

The Pierate Party!

i occasionally get unsolicited emails from an organisation called professionals in higher education and every time i see their domain name i am moved to wonder why anyone would choose thepienews.com in the 2k18

GETCHER KIDDIE-FIDDLIN' NEWS HERE FOLKS

I think I may have ghostwritten something for Pie News. I see their editor at conferences all the time. Obviously not going on my CV.

in retrospect thepienews' decision to hold their 2018 conference at dolphin square was probably a misjudgment

I will auction off my branded tea towel for the next ILX fundraising drive.

You really learn something new every day as an American reading this thread

i too was unaware that sv had a paedo tea towel

we take our mission to inform seriously

You should see the one I got from the Norwegian Academic Marketing Board Leaders Association.

heh

i'd really rather not tho cheers

don't suppose any ilxors have a "Jim Fixed It For Me" badge?

no, but one sold on ebay in feb for £32.16, so it looks like it's a buyer's market out there (an 'i helped savile save stoke mandeville' badge would have set yo back only £19)

there's a fairly active savile memorabilia market on there, upsettingly enough

there are people who collect nazi stuff so it's hardly a shock

say what u like about the nazis tho, at least they were always impeccably turned out, wouldn't be seen dead in a string vest, pink-tinted john lennon specs and a gold lamé tracksuit

how much did they raise for charity tho?

There seemed to be quite a few Savile truthers out there last time I looked.

Xxpost, a badge sold for two grand at the auction of his estate before the scandal broke. Wonder how the buyer of “The Beast”, feels after paying 130 grand for it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-19043994

savile's a real unusual case in that truthers have to make up explanations for all the shit he got away with which handwave away all the deep-rooted conspiracy rumours which actually turned out to be true

Frank Field Watch update; Frank still active in fighting for justice for the downtrodden and unappreciated:

There is a move afoot to nominate the Queen for a Nobel peace prize in recognition of her “determined diplomacy” in “keeping the Commonwealth alive”. Politicians from across the parties are backing the plan, although it is fair to say that while their loyalties are varied, they are of a certain vintage. They include Lord Howell, a Thatcher-era minister, and Labour’s Frank Field, who has been an MP since 1979.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/shortcuts/2018/apr/09/does-queen-deserve-nobel-peace-prize-commonwealth

blah blah Kissinger blah blah Zimbabwe blah blah turn up and wave blah blah head on a stick blah blah undead undead undead

Labour's Frank Field who has been an MP since 1979 and dead since 1971.

My mum still has a booklet from the 70's with Jimmy Savile on it, he was fronting a promotion to encourage more mothers to become registered childminders. Probably should get that fucker on e-bay.

Guess which Foreign Secretary couldn't wait to congratulate Nazi Orban on Twitter even after the OSCE report dropped.

Quality trolling from Momentum.
https://www.twitter.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/983313577527390208

Ugh.

We couldn't have done it without you guys 💗

(https://t.co/pzSpvmajUx) pic.twitter.com/87rR0owX4P

— Momentum (@PeoplesMomentum) April 9, 2018

hee, v good

hard left neo-fascists of the world unite

look at the state of this marxist neo-fascist

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NXtYcgXDK_s/V3MXfrl1vKI/AAAAAAAAdyQ/DqlNQ6p-T4IbA7mOXk3POtR4GafyvH_CgCLcB/s1600/Momentum%2Brally%2B3.jpg

a fascist dangerous neo-marxist, earlier today

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Momentum+Members+Rally+Support+Jeremy+Corbyn+uHmYpvucH1Zl.jpg