Bang Bang You're Dead... POLL In Your Head - ILM Artist Poll #87 - SMASHING PUMPKINS - Results

the melodic riff at the end of "Rhinoceros"

the palm muted verse in Bury Me with James singing backup. They never sounded cooler than that moment.

the overdriven joe meek weirdness of 1:12 to 1:20 ub hello kitty kat

it is the hint of something about to be unchained later, but it's somehow the best part in a song that really tries to top itself until the very end

Jimmy’s accents during the builds in BWBW

“OK, this take? Don’t give a fuck.”

Was just listening through TAFH this afternoon and was struck by how much Believe has in common with Tonight Tonight. Like it could just as easily have been sung by Billy and given the full urgent orchestral treatment that TT got. I'm curious if either was a conscious rewrite of the other.

Ha! Just went to google smashing pumpkins believe and Tonight Tonight was the top search results on account of "Believe, Believe in me, Believe"

81 Mouths of Babes 62 3 0

this jam 4ever

my thing

1. Here Is No Why
2. Mouths Of Babes
3. Obscured
4. Today
5. Mayonaise
6. Quiet
7. Bodies
8. Cupid de Locke
9. I Am One
10. Drown
11. Blew Away
12. Thirty-Three
13. Fuck You (An Ode To No One)
14. Starla
15. Hummer
16. Love
17. Where Boys Fear To Tread
18. Rhinoceros
19. Siva
20. Hello Kitty Kat
21. Stumbleine
22. To Forgive
23. Pastichio Medley
24. Landslide
25. Geek U.S.A.

I think of "Here Is No Why" as the "Mayonaise" of MCIS to me -- a non-rocker, non-single that has hit people in an emotional way over the years and is often held in as high regard as the singles. And looking back it probably should have been a single.

Full disclosure - I totally got off the SP bus the first time i heard "Bullet With Butterfly Wings". And they were pretty much my favorite band up to that point.

Consequently my poll entry only included songs that came out before then (looks like I was the sole #1 vote for Crush).

So this is the first time I'm hearing about 2/3 of the song on this spotify list. And I'm realizing that there's definitely a parallel universe where they decided to release "Thru the Eyes of Ruby" as the first single off MCIS, and I stayed a fan for another 5 years (though I think Machina still would've been a deal-breaker)

can't compute HINW as a "non-rocker"!

Full disclosure - I totally got off the SP bus the first time i heard "Bullet With Butterfly Wings". And they were pretty much my favorite band up to that point.

Consequently my poll entry only included songs that came out before then (looks like I was the sole #1 vote for Crush).

So this is the first time I'm hearing about 2/3 of the song on this spotify list. And I'm realizing that there's definitely a parallel universe where they decided to release "Thru the Eyes of Ruby" as the first single off MCIS, and I stayed a fan for another 5 years (though I think Machina still would've been a deal-breaker)

― enochroot, Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:32 PM (two hours ago)

For my experience, save "Set The Ray to Jerry" and a few other MCIS b-sides, you saved yourself a long slow admission of defeat. Kinda envy your clean break--guessing you might've been just enough older than I was to not have an unhealthy degree of entanglement/investment in the band.

enochroot you should just finish the other 2/3 of the songs first and then see what you think!

i appreciate soundslike's perspective (and many excellent mixes) and have that same kind of relationship with other bands, but (with all due respect) the post SD hate is very overblown - there are tons of gems in there. it doesn't mean that MCIS suddenly destroys gish or whatever (although it does imo) but there are so many excellent songs that you are likely to enjoy, particularly if you liked "Thru the Eyes of Ruby"

can't compute HINW as a "non-rocker"!

I guess I mean in comparison to something like "BWBW" or "Zero".

the post SD hate is very overblown

don't get him going again

post MCIS hate, however

this poll was wonderful because Adore is now my second favorite SP album. machina still bothers me, but the enthusiasm of others itt is contagious.

hell YEAH

post MCIS hate, however

adore is the SP album i listen to the most, even though i might put MCIS or SD above it in the desert island scenario.

My view of Smashing Pumpkins is a little different in that I think that pretty much everything Corgan did up until (and including) the Zwan album is very good to excellent, and afterwards he never reached the same heights but still came up with some decent and highly listenable material.

i think adore ends up matching better with my mood and typical listening situation these days, or at least more often than SD does.

mood
https://i.imgur.com/jrgASKz.png

that had lasik yesterday mooooood

ahh this is a great show... they are all in outer space, high as shit, wearing dresses, inviting people on stage, closes with a cover of "The Joker"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7ML4ryNNH0

Geek USA 1:22
Rocket 5:37
Bury Me 9:59
Window Paine 13:57
Tristessa 20:55
"Get up on stage and dance song" Jam 25:21
Siva 26:48
Hummer 32:44
I Am One 40:06
Silverfuck 45:11
Encore
56:31
The Joker (Cover) 57:47

ahh this is a great show... they are all in outer space, high as shit, wearing dresses, inviting people on stage, closes with a cover of "The Joker"

god bless early pumpkins

i skimmed down to the last line and read that as a cover of "The Joker" that was 57:47 long

lmao. it's a really fun cover

look man, this ain't Phish we're talking about here.

emptiness is jokeliness
and jokeliness is smokeliness
and smokeliness is tokeliness
and TOKIN'S MIDNIGHT,
JUST LIKE MEEEEEEE

i'm a joker. i'm a smoker. i'm al roker. super soaker. frog's a croaker...*54 minutes later*...i'm a midddniiiight toker.

Interview the next day: "Yeah, those hot licks in the long instrumental section of 'The Joker' were me, not Iha."

Wow, thanks for sharing that fun set! So badass that he plays the lead lick and sings at the same time during that "she waits, bury me" section. Kinda thing that inspires me to practice more.

oh shit, Slunk! I totally forgot about the Lull EP!

emptiness is jokeliness
and jokeliness is smokeliness
and smokeliness is tokeliness
and TOKIN'S MIDNIGHT,
JUST LIKE MEEEEEEE

It's taking a lot of restraint to not burst out laughing in my office, cheers

What are flappy bird's (or anyone's) choice recommendations of shows available on archive.org? I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I'm too lazy to dig through 100 Smashing Pumpkins thread to find it.

every adore show i've heard is great but i had a bootleg of the brussels show for years. i don't know if it's significantly better than any show of that era or if it was the only one i was able to acquire at the time https://archive.org/details/tsp1998-05-28.flac16

oh and it's also on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8F3M12Gxw4

(but i think the video edits out the performances of "ruby" and "perfect")

Cool!

a few off the top of my head

1993/06/29 - Studio 105 - Paris (acoustic)
1994/08/06 - Downing Stadium - Randall's Island, NY
1994/08/31 - Gorge Amphitheater - George, WA

1996/01/06 - 9:30 Club - Washington, DC
1996/04/16 - Messe-Congresscentrum B - Stuggart, DE
1996/06/15 - Golden Gate Park - San Francisco, CA (best Silverfuck ever)

Thanks!

1991/06/22 - Reckless Records - Chicago, IL
1991/12/31 - Metro - Chicago, IL
1992/09/08 - Espace Ornano - Paris, FR

that reckless records performance is great

ok ok a few more... just 1995, a weird live year for them:

1995/02/28 - Double Door - Chicago, IL (last of four DD shows played right before they started recording Mellon Collie. setlist is all new songs plus a couple from Pisces)
1995/08/23 - SFX Centre - Dublin, IE (not a good recording but by far the most enthusiastic and in tune crowd I've ever heard on a Pumpkins bootleg. the sound of everyone singing 'Today' still gives me chills)
1995/08/25 - Reading Festival - Reading, UK (major debut of MCIS material)
1995/10/23 - Riviera Theater - Chicago, IL (infamous 'blackout' show, power cuts out during the second song, simulcast on radio all over the world)
1995/12/12 - Melkweg - Amsterdam, NL (final show before 1996)

I had the feeling you'd have quite a list. :D