the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

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lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 19 April 2018 11:33 (six years ago) link

don't worry folks, RT are running with it now!

calzino, Thursday, 19 April 2018 11:37 (six years ago) link

lol

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 19 April 2018 11:39 (six years ago) link

Nick Timothy and Dan Hodges covering themselves in glory on this.

gyac, Thursday, 19 April 2018 11:44 (six years ago) link

NT reckons TM was on holiday when the Go Home vans were sent out... get fucked!

The Times are running with the Lycamobile scandal now.

calzino, Thursday, 19 April 2018 11:46 (six years ago) link

Unrelated, but:

would you rather save a) a tree, or b) a working class child

liberal environmentalists: that's a tough one but i think everything considered i’d have to go with option a pic.twitter.com/M7AX2xA3FY

— Clare Hymer (@ClareHymer) April 19, 2018

gyac, Thursday, 19 April 2018 11:46 (six years ago) link

Nick Timothy p much "Mistress opposed the vans actually no really but then went on holiday so they just did it anyway."

nashwan, Thursday, 19 April 2018 11:47 (six years ago) link

we should be grateful for the moderating influence of the LibDems in the coalition years.

calzino, Thursday, 19 April 2018 11:49 (six years ago) link

PS the benefit sanction turned out to be illegal and never went ahead. Ha Ha.

— Polly Mackenzie (@pollymackenzie) April 19, 2018

(the defense is that their legal advice told them that it would be illegal, but still fucking hell)

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 19 April 2018 12:06 (six years ago) link

Check out the votes on the 2014 Immigration act if you really want to despair.

gyac, Thursday, 19 April 2018 12:09 (six years ago) link

What did they give you for the 2014 Immigration Act? A handful of pick and mix and a lottery ticket?

— I Am Damo Godzuki ⬛🔴 (@b11ckchps) April 19, 2018

Lib Dems are pretty consistently anti sugar and anti gambling.

— Polly Mackenzie (@pollymackenzie) April 19, 2018

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 19 April 2018 12:10 (six years ago) link

Policy wonks who really don't need to be on twitter.

(Henry) Green container bin with face (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 April 2018 12:13 (six years ago) link

(Lycamobile story beginning to pick up a head of steam btw)

(Henry) Green container bin with face (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 April 2018 12:17 (six years ago) link

about fucking time!

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complete idiots who are so extremely solipsistic, they aren't fit to be in a position to effect government policy.

calzino, Thursday, 19 April 2018 12:19 (six years ago) link

And here's Mark Harper - the minister who approved the vans - in January 2014, telling MPs the vans were part of a "deliberate strategy". He does not say that the home secretary had blocked them and then they were approved without her say when she was on holiday pic.twitter.com/Nl1XUypvOy

— Henry Zeffman (@hzeffman) April 19, 2018

gyac, Thursday, 19 April 2018 13:07 (six years ago) link

Would be nice if media scrutiny happened most of the time and not just when journalists scented blood, but:

Been looking into the dates of the "go home" vans that Theresa May's former advisor said happened when she was "on holiday"

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— James Doleman (@jamesdoleman) April 19, 2018

gyac, Thursday, 19 April 2018 13:09 (six years ago) link

Buzzfeed are notoriously loose when it comes to publishing stuff and Heidi Blake, who is credited, has published some absolute junk recently but this, on the face of it, looks more substantial.

Didn't someone at HMRC confirm the email?

Matt DC, Thursday, 19 April 2018 13:16 (six years ago) link

They've confirmed what was said but they're denying it had anything to do with the decision.

The positioning seems to be that the French investigators approached HMRC with a weak case and were told that it wouldn't stand up to scrutiny - with an addendum that this was a firmly established company in good standing with the government they were talking about, not a cut-out laundering front.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 19 April 2018 13:54 (six years ago) link

According to asylum Twitter, if you’re a detainee at a refugee centre your only option for communicating with friends and family are phone cards supplied by... Lycamobile!

suzy, Thursday, 19 April 2018 14:11 (six years ago) link

Yup. Topping up lycamobile was one of the most practical ways I could help when I was visiting ppl in detention.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 19 April 2018 15:48 (six years ago) link

so for an immigration detainee, unless you have outside help, you have to work in the kitchens there for less than a £1 an hour to be able to top up your phone to call your family, using a telecoms company that essentially fund your jailors.

— joe (@cillanoir) April 19, 2018

calzino, Thursday, 19 April 2018 17:04 (six years ago) link

mark s linked to a very good thread on Facebook that posits the almost certa

you're my luger not my rifle (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 April 2018 17:22 (six years ago) link

anly true idea that the point of hostile environment is primarily economic exploitation rather than deportation

you're my luger not my rifle (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 April 2018 17:23 (six years ago) link

Honestly, I’m not sure that’s true. May has repeatedly shown that she’s quite happy for a variety of sectors of the economy to take a battering if it means being able to say fewer brown people came here.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 19 April 2018 17:37 (six years ago) link

I would say that one outcome bolsters the other, specifically when we're talking about people who have an absolute legal right to live here

you're my luger not my rifle (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 April 2018 17:44 (six years ago) link

I should caveat this by saying I haven’t read the Facebook thread but there are several Tories I’d see as sympathetic to the idea of maintaining strict immigration laws in order to drive down migrant wages / claims to rights, including Boris Johnson, but May is essentially an ethno-nationalist before an economic pragmatist at heart imo.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 19 April 2018 17:46 (six years ago) link

Probably true but she's only one cog in the bigger machine

you're my luger not my rifle (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 April 2018 17:47 (six years ago) link

For sure - though she has repeatedly been the squeaky wheel, if that metaphor isn’t too mixed, who has held firm to what I’d loosely call a ‘racism-first’ strategy, going up against Cameron, Johnson, etc who were far more open to the “Dubai / Singapore on steroids” idea of driving down rights and increasing economic exploitation, rather than kicking people out / stopping them from coming.

The financial motive May has is probably more about making people who have every right to access healthcare, etc, from thinking twice about going to hospital, speaking to the council, etc

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 19 April 2018 17:54 (six years ago) link

History of this kind of capitalism is that fear drives down costs, whether that's wages or welfare

you're my luger not my rifle (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 April 2018 17:56 (six years ago) link

Analysis of TM BS from 2012 https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/12/theresa-may-immigration-speech

nashwan, Thursday, 19 April 2018 18:13 (six years ago) link

George Osborne and May were famously at odds over immigration policy; he was one of the opponents to the idea of counting foreign students in immigration stats and the LRB article on May from last year mentioned a fight beteeen the two at cabinet about a Chinese businessman Osborne knew being strip searched at Heathrow.

The two would go hand in hand; are you going to make a fuss about your treatment or join a union if your employer has Border Force waiting for you at work one morning?

gyac, Thursday, 19 April 2018 18:29 (six years ago) link

And it applies in a lesser way to all immigrants - the proposed registry of foreigners at all workplaces? That doesn’t care if you’re documented or not, or if you’re highly skilled or not. That’s about targeting people for the sole fact that they are foreign. Every time I think of the Home Office since I’ve lived here I can think of another horrible little story or initiative that all feeds into this.

gyac, Thursday, 19 April 2018 18:33 (six years ago) link

The thread I was talking about drew useful parallels with apartheid or Jim Crow laws

you're my luger not my rifle (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 April 2018 18:38 (six years ago) link

The terrible truth is that May is neither - she was given a job to reduce numbers and saw it as a duty. Various ways to do so are just tools to an end.

The thread mentioned above:

(1) Here's a thought. Racist laws aren't often designed to just "get rid" of black people or other minorities. They are designed to force minority people to be 2nd class citizens.

— Solomon Hughes (@SolHughesWriter) April 18, 2018

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 19 April 2018 18:40 (six years ago) link

That was Runciman’s theory and not one I particularly subscribe to. Why was TM making up lies about not being able to deport people because they owned cats? That doesn’t speak to the plodding diligence he attributes to her, it reminded me of the anecdote about her mocking George Osborne at an awards ceremony.

Anyway, Bloomberg have just posted a story about a further email leak from the Home Office that gives more info about the van story. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-04-19/former-may-aide-s-attempt-to-defend-her-undermined-by-email-leak

gyac, Thursday, 19 April 2018 18:52 (six years ago) link

well as I say, she's a functionary, a racist functionary, but the shit system is bigger than her alone.

Thanks for the link AF, I'm crap on my phone

you're my luger not my rifle (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 April 2018 18:58 (six years ago) link

and if course there's a difference between individual intention and overall consequence

you're my luger not my rifle (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 April 2018 19:00 (six years ago) link

"Far from objecting to the plan, May’s only objection at that point was that it might look too soft on illegal immigrants."

being "soft" seems to be a cardinal sin in her book, but FFS!

calzino, Thursday, 19 April 2018 19:21 (six years ago) link

https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/charities-delivering-dwps-work-programme-must-promise-not-to-attack-mcvey/

Disability charities that sign up to help deliver the government’s new Work and Health Programme must promise to “pay the utmost regard to the standing and reputation” of work and pensions secretary Esther McVey, official documents suggest.

honestly, I'm not making this up.

calzino, Thursday, 19 April 2018 21:30 (six years ago) link

Re: working in detention, yeah, the spin the centres try to put on it is that it's primairly a way to help detainees feel useful and that none of the work done by them substitutes that of paid professionals. All very credible, of course.

I've mentioned before that the UK detention system feels very much like a way of importing the US prison-industrial complex to some extent - especially since most of these centres are operated by private security firms.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 19 April 2018 21:33 (six years ago) link

Fair enough but that's a really low bar xp

you're my luger not my rifle (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 19 April 2018 21:34 (six years ago) link

well yeah, yet to meet all the thousands who have been helped by amazing scheme!

calzino, Thursday, 19 April 2018 21:37 (six years ago) link

It’s not been a great day for them. Nick Timothy deleted his account, and this story came out: https://www.vice.com/amp/en_uk/article/ne9m9d/vice-exclusive-the-tory-council-candidate-who-supports-far-right-extremists

gyac, Friday, 20 April 2018 14:36 (six years ago) link

Nick Timothy deleted his account

FUCK I'M ON CHAMPAGNE TONIGHT

Cortez the Self-Harmer (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 April 2018 14:37 (six years ago) link

When he’s not knocking on doors for the local election with high profile Conservatives, Darren is attending events organised by Generation Identity, a racist group that wants to repatriate migrants. Our investigation shows that Harrison attended numerous events by the ethno-nationalist group.

^ this is perfectly confluent with the amber rudd approach tbh

i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Friday, 20 April 2018 14:40 (six years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbOWSRKWkAAnN6M.jpg

calzino, Friday, 20 April 2018 14:42 (six years ago) link

casually wafting away a fart

Cortez the Self-Harmer (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 April 2018 14:43 (six years ago) link

ooh i just had a safeguarding warning this week about Generation Identity

Generation Cunts amirite?

Cortez the Self-Harmer (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 April 2018 14:44 (six years ago) link

it's the undone zipper that's more worrying tbh xp

i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Friday, 20 April 2018 14:45 (six years ago) link


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