the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

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I miss the old politics, where you would be civil to the people denying cancer treatment to citizens in order to mollify racists.

Matt DC, Friday, 20 April 2018 15:42 (five years ago) link

fkn fire our journalist class into the sun already.

||||||||, Friday, 20 April 2018 16:39 (five years ago) link

according to the front page of bbc news, none of this is happening.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Friday, 20 April 2018 16:43 (five years ago) link

I know this government latterly has been kind of resilient but it feels like there’s a resignation in the offing soon. when do we think rudd might go? is may at risk even? in a more benign context she would have gone already surely

||||||||, Friday, 20 April 2018 16:43 (five years ago) link

I forgot she stood in for May in the party leader Brexit debates - and then ended up with a majority of two men and a dog in Nick Timothy's General Election.

(Henry) Green container bin with face (Tom D.), Friday, 20 April 2018 16:49 (five years ago) link

probably need to roll with the punches until locals out the way. must be painful at CPHQ rn

||||||||, Friday, 20 April 2018 16:50 (five years ago) link

Matt made me grimlol

Cortez the Self-Harmer (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 April 2018 18:13 (five years ago) link

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"That is what is going on at the moment. I didn't expect when I took on this voluntary cross-party role for my wife to be sent by a Labour Marxist anti-Semite a dead bird through the post."

It seems John Mann was lying in Parliament the other day. The dead bird incident was a whole 3 years pre-Corbyn and was "the action of disgruntled Labour member Roger Dyas-Elliott, who felt he had been unfairly barred from standing for a council seat later won by Mr Mann's wife."

calzino, Saturday, 21 April 2018 09:18 (five years ago) link

can we just post the best of all the absolute witlesssness that’s been going around on twitter this week in response to owen jones claim that journalism is a middle class cabal

excuse me while I suffocate from irony

One of the reasons I love journalism is that it really is meritocratic. If you can write or edit (and you'd be surprised how relatively rare those abilities are) you generally tend to make it. Have known many posh kids who rocked up due to connections, were useless, and vanished

— Robert Colvile (@rcolvile) April 21, 2018

||||||||, Saturday, 21 April 2018 09:27 (five years ago) link

oh it turns out loads of them are real sons and daughters of toil, never seen so much grit and determination, lols!

calzino, Saturday, 21 April 2018 09:30 (five years ago) link

OJ's comment completely backed up by All-Party Parliamentary Group on Social Mobility paper, yep thought it would be.

calzino, Saturday, 21 April 2018 09:40 (five years ago) link

david allen green’s thread was amazing

||||||||, Saturday, 21 April 2018 09:41 (five years ago) link

More like Robert LOLvile.

Fixed: Have known many posh kids who rocked up due to connections, were useless, and vanished either got the job anyway or walked into another one.

(Henry) Green container bin with face (Tom D.), Saturday, 21 April 2018 09:43 (five years ago) link

TBF this is more likely if you’re a man....

suzy, Saturday, 21 April 2018 09:47 (five years ago) link

Private school + multimillionaire parents + country house = posh kids
Private school + millionaire parents + four bed house in Islington = ‘normal’

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Saturday, 21 April 2018 09:49 (five years ago) link

Any of these people have anything to say when Aditya Chakrabortty was attacked as posh because he went to school in Edmonton? Or even about Owen Jones having Churchill’s grandson call him a “shitweasel” on Twitter only yesterday? Thought not. Brutal tone deafness from the media here.

gyac, Saturday, 21 April 2018 10:20 (five years ago) link

Did Aditya go to Latimer? If so, good on him. Half of North London tries to get their kids in there - I know of a few people whose parents sent them to Habs when they weren’t offered places there.

This is a bit like actual aristos calling Corbyn a posh kid.

suzy, Saturday, 21 April 2018 10:25 (five years ago) link

i thought Edmonton was in Canada London is confusing

Cortez the Self-Harmer (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 21 April 2018 10:38 (five years ago) link

I dunno anything about schools but 2 of my friends lived in Edmonton for years and the idea of someone being called posh for going to school there is extremely bizarre.

Colonel Poo, Saturday, 21 April 2018 10:43 (five years ago) link

I think anyone claiming that their particular profession or trade is a complete meritocracy are rather delusional, unless they are out there in the expanding "brutal meritocracy" wild west of employment, where there isn't much nepotism at work for shit jobs that no sane person would ever want. Even in the building trades there is loads of nepotism going on, but people do like to believe in their own story of hard bloody graft that got them to where they are etc!

calzino, Saturday, 21 April 2018 10:45 (five years ago) link

to be fair a lot of print journalism seems like a race to the bottom so in that sense it's a kind of meritocracy

Cortez the Self-Harmer (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 21 April 2018 10:52 (five years ago) link

Edmonton is a poor area and it’s where Chakrabortty grew up and has written about extensively. The “AH-HA! You are a posh fraud!” stuff is because he went to the local grammar school - Latymer. It’s not posh, per se, but is selective and is pretty much like many other grammar schools in that it gives poor kids an opportunity to have a solid education outside of the comp system but they’re outnumbered by the children of sharp-elbowed middle-class ppl - and it also hives off a lot of good teachers who would otherwise potentially be spread across other local schools. He has never disputed that it has given him an advantage iirc.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Saturday, 21 April 2018 10:54 (five years ago) link

I better remind my niece from a one-parent family on the Bradley Mills Estate that she's now posh cos she's at the same Grammar school Jo Cox went to!

calzino, Saturday, 21 April 2018 11:02 (five years ago) link

Going to school at all is posh imo

Google lobster hierarchies (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 21 April 2018 11:46 (five years ago) link

iirc you're only posh if you're smart. that also makes you gay.

Cortez the Self-Harmer (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 21 April 2018 11:55 (five years ago) link

^ gets it

Google lobster hierarchies (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 21 April 2018 12:00 (five years ago) link

when i were a lad you left school, went straight down daily telegraph news desk and that was that – and you were lucky to have that!

— joe (@cillanoir) April 21, 2018

calzino, Saturday, 21 April 2018 12:11 (five years ago) link

This is exceptionally bad and really bleakly is more reactionary than the manifesto at a time when there's an opening. https://t.co/693BF4pnrl

— Tom Gann (@Tom_Gann) April 22, 2018

I didn't watch this painful shit, but it seems like Emily Thornberry thinks Hostile Environment was ok in principle. FFS I thought she was supposed to be one of the good ones.

calzino, Sunday, 22 April 2018 12:06 (five years ago) link

Ironic that now she needs sacking for shameless pandering to racist white van men

Google lobster hierarchies (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 22 April 2018 13:16 (five years ago) link

Looked at the transcript and its not as awful. She abstained from the vote on the Immigration act. I think she is useful and can listen so I wouldn't sack just yet, not least because Labour have very little to work with.

Labour and the Tories have gone hand-in-hand with these policies and it will take a long time to de-toxify the politics -- it may not even be possible.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 22 April 2018 13:23 (five years ago) link

Was she still in the shadow cabinet when this bill went chugging through? There were only 6 Labour MPs who voted against it (but quite a few abstentions).

suzy, Sunday, 22 April 2018 16:21 (five years ago) link

She abstained from the vote on the Immigration act.


how brave

Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 22 April 2018 16:35 (five years ago) link

I know.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 22 April 2018 19:55 (five years ago) link

Was she still in the shadow cabinet when this bill went chugging through?

idk, but given some of her positions it wouldn't surprise if that didn't make much of a difference at that time.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 22 April 2018 19:56 (five years ago) link

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/hidden-manchester-slums-story-squalor-14561374.amp?__twitter_impression=true

this piece in the long tradition of journalists venturing into manchester slums is very grim and gets at part of the reason why the figures for homelessness are such rubbish

ogmor, Monday, 23 April 2018 08:20 (five years ago) link

When I look at some of those pics it reminds of that twice defeated bill that obligated landlords to make properties fit for human habitation and the massive media outcry when it was defeated.

calzino, Monday, 23 April 2018 09:05 (five years ago) link

jesus christ

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 23 April 2018 09:35 (five years ago) link

Sky News has seen a leaked email in which Government whip Mike Freer says the Windrush migrant issue is "absolutely nothing to do" with immigration reforms introduced when Prime Minister Theresa May was Home Secretary

— Sky News Breaking (@SkyNewsBreak) April 22, 2018

lol! this has to be one of the worst "leaked memo" gambits I've ever seen.

calzino, Monday, 23 April 2018 09:40 (five years ago) link

"i have a leaked email here that says i am a very special boy"

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 23 April 2018 09:46 (five years ago) link

Also see any use of the word 'admit'

Hudson admitted his save kept his side in the game. His manager admitted that his tactics had proved decisive in progressing to the next round

anvil, Monday, 23 April 2018 09:59 (five years ago) link

Guess they are going to use the latest royal baby to sneak out something bad, should keep an eye out but afraid that bbc news will not be bearable for a couple of days.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 23 April 2018 12:24 (five years ago) link

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calzino, Monday, 23 April 2018 12:35 (five years ago) link

Oh hold on a moment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCfJ46W6CGg

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 23 April 2018 12:35 (five years ago) link

lol!

calzino, Monday, 23 April 2018 12:37 (five years ago) link

straight into ILX's "People of the Year" awards

la vache qui pleure (Noodle Vague), Monday, 23 April 2018 12:46 (five years ago) link

lmao

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 23 April 2018 12:50 (five years ago) link

I have just received a letter telling me to be “grateful” as a black man for all “we have done for those black people who came to live here” or “go back to where ever you came from”. I was born in the Whittington Hospital the son of Windrush migrants. And I will speak for them. pic.twitter.com/WkCeDpLQPf

— David Lammy (@DavidLammy) April 23, 2018

“Ungrateful” is like two steps away from “uppity”. I really feel for Lammy; he and Abbott get the most disgusting racist messages constantly and nobody gives a shit about it.

gyac, Monday, 23 April 2018 13:32 (five years ago) link

weird capitalisation in that letter, almost like they were writing in german

i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Monday, 23 April 2018 13:40 (five years ago) link

Yeah, who gives a shit right? ohhh. pic.twitter.com/lkMccA1kZP

— Hanna Ines Flint (@HannaFlint) April 23, 2018

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 23 April 2018 13:52 (five years ago) link


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