the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

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More like Robert LOLvile.

Fixed: Have known many posh kids who rocked up due to connections, were useless, and vanished either got the job anyway or walked into another one.

(Henry) Green container bin with face (Tom D.), Saturday, 21 April 2018 09:43 (five years ago) link

TBF this is more likely if you’re a man....

suzy, Saturday, 21 April 2018 09:47 (five years ago) link

Private school + multimillionaire parents + country house = posh kids
Private school + millionaire parents + four bed house in Islington = ‘normal’

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Saturday, 21 April 2018 09:49 (five years ago) link

Any of these people have anything to say when Aditya Chakrabortty was attacked as posh because he went to school in Edmonton? Or even about Owen Jones having Churchill’s grandson call him a “shitweasel” on Twitter only yesterday? Thought not. Brutal tone deafness from the media here.

gyac, Saturday, 21 April 2018 10:20 (five years ago) link

Did Aditya go to Latimer? If so, good on him. Half of North London tries to get their kids in there - I know of a few people whose parents sent them to Habs when they weren’t offered places there.

This is a bit like actual aristos calling Corbyn a posh kid.

suzy, Saturday, 21 April 2018 10:25 (five years ago) link

i thought Edmonton was in Canada London is confusing

Cortez the Self-Harmer (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 21 April 2018 10:38 (five years ago) link

I dunno anything about schools but 2 of my friends lived in Edmonton for years and the idea of someone being called posh for going to school there is extremely bizarre.

Colonel Poo, Saturday, 21 April 2018 10:43 (five years ago) link

I think anyone claiming that their particular profession or trade is a complete meritocracy are rather delusional, unless they are out there in the expanding "brutal meritocracy" wild west of employment, where there isn't much nepotism at work for shit jobs that no sane person would ever want. Even in the building trades there is loads of nepotism going on, but people do like to believe in their own story of hard bloody graft that got them to where they are etc!

calzino, Saturday, 21 April 2018 10:45 (five years ago) link

to be fair a lot of print journalism seems like a race to the bottom so in that sense it's a kind of meritocracy

Cortez the Self-Harmer (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 21 April 2018 10:52 (five years ago) link

Edmonton is a poor area and it’s where Chakrabortty grew up and has written about extensively. The “AH-HA! You are a posh fraud!” stuff is because he went to the local grammar school - Latymer. It’s not posh, per se, but is selective and is pretty much like many other grammar schools in that it gives poor kids an opportunity to have a solid education outside of the comp system but they’re outnumbered by the children of sharp-elbowed middle-class ppl - and it also hives off a lot of good teachers who would otherwise potentially be spread across other local schools. He has never disputed that it has given him an advantage iirc.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Saturday, 21 April 2018 10:54 (five years ago) link

I better remind my niece from a one-parent family on the Bradley Mills Estate that she's now posh cos she's at the same Grammar school Jo Cox went to!

calzino, Saturday, 21 April 2018 11:02 (five years ago) link

Going to school at all is posh imo

Google lobster hierarchies (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 21 April 2018 11:46 (five years ago) link

iirc you're only posh if you're smart. that also makes you gay.

Cortez the Self-Harmer (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 21 April 2018 11:55 (five years ago) link

^ gets it

Google lobster hierarchies (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 21 April 2018 12:00 (five years ago) link

when i were a lad you left school, went straight down daily telegraph news desk and that was that – and you were lucky to have that!

— joe (@cillanoir) April 21, 2018

calzino, Saturday, 21 April 2018 12:11 (five years ago) link

This is exceptionally bad and really bleakly is more reactionary than the manifesto at a time when there's an opening. https://t.co/693BF4pnrl

— Tom Gann (@Tom_Gann) April 22, 2018

I didn't watch this painful shit, but it seems like Emily Thornberry thinks Hostile Environment was ok in principle. FFS I thought she was supposed to be one of the good ones.

calzino, Sunday, 22 April 2018 12:06 (five years ago) link

Ironic that now she needs sacking for shameless pandering to racist white van men

Google lobster hierarchies (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 22 April 2018 13:16 (five years ago) link

Looked at the transcript and its not as awful. She abstained from the vote on the Immigration act. I think she is useful and can listen so I wouldn't sack just yet, not least because Labour have very little to work with.

Labour and the Tories have gone hand-in-hand with these policies and it will take a long time to de-toxify the politics -- it may not even be possible.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 22 April 2018 13:23 (five years ago) link

Was she still in the shadow cabinet when this bill went chugging through? There were only 6 Labour MPs who voted against it (but quite a few abstentions).

suzy, Sunday, 22 April 2018 16:21 (five years ago) link

She abstained from the vote on the Immigration act.


how brave

Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 22 April 2018 16:35 (five years ago) link

I know.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 22 April 2018 19:55 (five years ago) link

Was she still in the shadow cabinet when this bill went chugging through?

idk, but given some of her positions it wouldn't surprise if that didn't make much of a difference at that time.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 22 April 2018 19:56 (five years ago) link

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/hidden-manchester-slums-story-squalor-14561374.amp?__twitter_impression=true

this piece in the long tradition of journalists venturing into manchester slums is very grim and gets at part of the reason why the figures for homelessness are such rubbish

ogmor, Monday, 23 April 2018 08:20 (five years ago) link

When I look at some of those pics it reminds of that twice defeated bill that obligated landlords to make properties fit for human habitation and the massive media outcry when it was defeated.

calzino, Monday, 23 April 2018 09:05 (five years ago) link

jesus christ

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 23 April 2018 09:35 (five years ago) link

Sky News has seen a leaked email in which Government whip Mike Freer says the Windrush migrant issue is "absolutely nothing to do" with immigration reforms introduced when Prime Minister Theresa May was Home Secretary

— Sky News Breaking (@SkyNewsBreak) April 22, 2018

lol! this has to be one of the worst "leaked memo" gambits I've ever seen.

calzino, Monday, 23 April 2018 09:40 (five years ago) link

"i have a leaked email here that says i am a very special boy"

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 23 April 2018 09:46 (five years ago) link

Also see any use of the word 'admit'

Hudson admitted his save kept his side in the game. His manager admitted that his tactics had proved decisive in progressing to the next round

anvil, Monday, 23 April 2018 09:59 (five years ago) link

Guess they are going to use the latest royal baby to sneak out something bad, should keep an eye out but afraid that bbc news will not be bearable for a couple of days.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 23 April 2018 12:24 (five years ago) link

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calzino, Monday, 23 April 2018 12:35 (five years ago) link

Oh hold on a moment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCfJ46W6CGg

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 23 April 2018 12:35 (five years ago) link

lol!

calzino, Monday, 23 April 2018 12:37 (five years ago) link

straight into ILX's "People of the Year" awards

la vache qui pleure (Noodle Vague), Monday, 23 April 2018 12:46 (five years ago) link

lmao

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 23 April 2018 12:50 (five years ago) link

I have just received a letter telling me to be “grateful” as a black man for all “we have done for those black people who came to live here” or “go back to where ever you came from”. I was born in the Whittington Hospital the son of Windrush migrants. And I will speak for them. pic.twitter.com/WkCeDpLQPf

— David Lammy (@DavidLammy) April 23, 2018

“Ungrateful” is like two steps away from “uppity”. I really feel for Lammy; he and Abbott get the most disgusting racist messages constantly and nobody gives a shit about it.

gyac, Monday, 23 April 2018 13:32 (five years ago) link

weird capitalisation in that letter, almost like they were writing in german

i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Monday, 23 April 2018 13:40 (five years ago) link

Yeah, who gives a shit right? ohhh. pic.twitter.com/lkMccA1kZP

— Hanna Ines Flint (@HannaFlint) April 23, 2018

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 23 April 2018 13:52 (five years ago) link

(response to Indy's "Woman gives birth to baby boy" headline)

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 23 April 2018 13:53 (five years ago) link

what does that man say on the clip? i can only decipher "black boy"

Heavy Messages (jed_), Monday, 23 April 2018 14:23 (five years ago) link

"the news is .. it's a black boy" Is what I heard.

calzino, Monday, 23 April 2018 14:29 (five years ago) link

Lammy wrote to the Prime Minister, of course she's going to write back.

Google lobster hierarchies (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 23 April 2018 14:30 (five years ago) link

Thinking about this whole scandal, which I don't think it going to disappear any time soon, and the way it feeds back into the Tories' own disastrous election campaign, specifically their treatment of the elderly. 'Work all your life, do everything you're supposed to do, then get fucked by the government when you get old' is just terrible politics because it horrifies people right across the political spectrum.

Apparently there isn't anyone in May's immediate circle of advisors who is able to think like a human being and spot these things in advance b/c they should be really fucking obvious.

Matt DC, Monday, 23 April 2018 14:46 (five years ago) link

I was wondering what arrangements had been made for Windrush deportees before the press scandal began to force some actual measures to rectify this? Like, what happened to state pensions that had been payed into for decades? Were these being forwarded to be payed out in Jamaica? (most of the people I have seen profiled were retirement age or not too far off) Or were you just going to be completely up shit creek: elderly, far from home, and without the entitlements you'd earned....

Also, if UK citizen's right to remain can be so carelessly compromised, what does this say about the UK's trustworthiness regarding pledges it makes to EU nationals living in the UK? What is the effect of displaying this disregard during already crucial and fraught Brexit negotiations? This story has made me feel that living here is far more precarious than I had previously thought. I'm sure this will be good news for the Home Office.

plax (ico), Monday, 23 April 2018 15:46 (five years ago) link

Matt you're right but there's the old school Tory mentality that "we" won't be shocked because "they" aren't "we".

The weight of wicked, ahistorical, ignorant, spiteful bullshit that " we" carries on its back when used to talk about nationality. There's no reaching people like that, like whoever wrote that letter to Lammy. They're already dead. Fuck 'em.

la vache qui pleure (Noodle Vague), Monday, 23 April 2018 15:48 (five years ago) link

And of course Amber Rudd has now offered them British citizenship *that they already had*, adding insult to injury.

Matt DC, Monday, 23 April 2018 16:10 (five years ago) link

also the "gift" of scrapping citizenship application fees/test for them. WTF!

calzino, Monday, 23 April 2018 16:17 (five years ago) link

and the obvious fib that she couldn't find any record of people wrongfully deported yet, did she actually say that?

calzino, Monday, 23 April 2018 16:21 (five years ago) link

I saw that and thought I must’ve misread, that there was for some reason an asterisk over their descendents’s citizenship that she was waiving, but nope.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 23 April 2018 16:23 (five years ago) link

I’m watching BBC Parliament and the reaming of Rudd even by individuals on her own benches is exquisite.

suzy, Monday, 23 April 2018 16:23 (five years ago) link


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