It wasn’t a fact based retraction per the SPLC though but seemingly threat based. Blumenthal hasn’t been clear about what facts were in dispute. The lawyer who sent the intimidation letters worked under one of the subjects of the piece (alt-right personality Cassandra Fairbanks) at “Sputnik”, which pushes the false flag narratives the piece was critical of.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 09:32 (six years ago) link
Blumenthal has been fairly clear about the parts he was challenging, including the elements that the SPLC had previously identified as false in other reports.
I’m in no great hurry to defend him but this was a substandard piece of work.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 09:44 (six years ago) link
He wasn’t even remotely specific about any single thing in the interview he gave RT about it. Just the broad generalities (“they are trying to stifle dissent”’). Weird....
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 10:18 (six years ago) link
The Guardian and WaPo benefited professionally from his work w Snowden exposing the NSA, to the tune of both winning 2014 Pulitzer. somehow he's a bad contrarian and they aren't, even though they happily mined those "click rewards".
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 11:08 (six years ago) link
I have to say I do love that GG is now such an obvious schmuck / useful idiot that we use this thread as a place to talk about the editorial standards of places he doesn’t work, instead
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 11:14 (six years ago) link
"useful idiot" -- McCarthyism is def dead
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 13:10 (six years ago) link
I don't find him to be a useful idiot at all. Just strident a little too often.
― Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 13:17 (six years ago) link
Yeah, let's not get back to the bad days where Joseph McCarthy called people a 'useful idiot' a lot. Boy, that was horrible.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 13:42 (six years ago) link
Also, apart from it being amazingly stupid to reduce McCarthyism to calling people 'useful idiots', Greenwald literally published information given to him by a Russian Intelligence Agent with the thinnest of fig leafs. It's not even hyperbolic to call him a 'useful idiot', it's quite descriptive.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 13:58 (six years ago) link
Useful idiot is a technical term
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 14:00 (six years ago) link
Fred, you're the other kind
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 14:13 (six years ago) link
Frederik 'Useful Genius' B
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 14:17 (six years ago) link
like Tony "Tiny" Lester
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 15:38 (six years ago) link
.@ggreenwald is on white nationalist @TuckerCarlson's Fox News show hyping the latest GOP-fueled conspiracy theory. #FearlessAndAdversarial pic.twitter.com/aMooy9AY89— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) June 14, 2018
You’d think the self-proclaimed adversarial journalist, who holds the powerful accountable, might want to expose literal internment camps instead of hob-nob on de facto state media shows.— Ben Yelin (@byelin) June 14, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 14 June 2018 02:54 (five years ago) link
Really just the classic trajectory
― valorous wokelord (silby), Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:04 (five years ago) link
I’m starting to think that “holding the people in power accountable” isn’t actually what he’s about.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:23 (five years ago) link
Are there still people on the left who give this asshole credence, and if so, why?
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:27 (five years ago) link
Pretty much all residual benefit of the doubt from the Snowden days.
― Simon H., Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:28 (five years ago) link
He is sometimes good on specific points/subjects but overall seems too high on his own farts to see what he's actually doing. Never a big fan but soured on him a lot when he gave Tucker Carlson a very forgiving interview on the Intercepted podcast, allowing Carlson to put out all his soft-sounding justifications for his bigoted anti-immigrant and anti-minority rhetoric without a serious challenge.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:31 (five years ago) link
and his earlier writings, obviously. in some ways the times have passed him by though, it' sad xp
― k3vin k., Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:31 (five years ago) link
man alive, I disagree. He knows exactly what he's doing. I don't believe for a second that he's simply confused or misguided. I think he's actively working for the other side.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:35 (five years ago) link
he's obviously not
― k3vin k., Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:36 (five years ago) link
What makes you say that? I don't think it is obvious at all. He's playing a useful role for Fox and the GOP, and enjoying all the attention he's getting from it.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:38 (five years ago) link
He knows exactly what he's doing
let us dispense with the notion . . .
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:38 (five years ago) link
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, June 13, 2018 10:38 PM (forty seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
um, the fact that the rest of his work/writing suggests otherwise?
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:42 (five years ago) link
I wouldn't say that he's always played this role, or always wanted to, but I think he's found that his targets and Fox's targets have aligned ever closer to the point where his most receptive and widest audience can be reached through Fox. He's banged away on the same themes for years, but in the age of Trump, it's less palatable to leftists and very useful to the right.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 14 June 2018 03:51 (five years ago) link
It was funny to see these two tweets in succession today. Kind of like how he accused the guy who linked Russia to the NRA of being an insane conspiracy theorist and never apologized for being wrong when it became even more confirmed to be true. Par for the course with his approach to the Russia investigation.
Beyond the fact that she treats her audience like 8-year-olds - repeating the same banal points 5 times in increasingly dramatic fashion to make sure they retain it & believe it's earth-shattering - she's now the most militaristic, and the most conspiratorial, commentator on TV: https://t.co/5YrVLxVJki— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) June 13, 2018
President Trump Said He Got the Idea to End Military Exercises With South Korea from Vladimir Putin >>> https://t.co/Ij89UirPkZ via @TPM— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) June 13, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 14 June 2018 04:25 (five years ago) link
i don't see a connection between the two tweets (i'm sure a Pavlovian response to "Putin" takes care of that).
"State media" is a particularly cunty construction by the MSNBC zombies. It's megacorporate media lusting for an audience.
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 June 2018 05:43 (five years ago) link
GG is quote tweeting the below in the first one. Of course the segment isn’t at all like it’s being described plus seeing him be that obnoxiously dismissive when the story turns out to be confirmed by Trump himself. But his description of Maddow is self evidently ridiculous (with or without noting that he goes on Tucker).
So after dramatically revealing to her audience that North Korea has a border with Russia -- gasp -- Maddow tonight went on an extended dot-connecting monologue where she darkly intimates that maybe somehow the real beneficiary of the Trump/Kim summit was... PUTIN. Beyond parody pic.twitter.com/a9bEwWn6l1— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) June 13, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 14 June 2018 06:09 (five years ago) link
The description of Greenwald from that essay we discussed in the other thread was spot on: The man’s political illiteracy is exceeded only by his sense of self-righteousness. And it should be no surprise that once his political illiteracy caused him to do something majorly fucked up - like taking information from Russian Intelligence to ratfuck the Democratic presidential nominee - his sense of self-rigtheousness would demand that he did whatever he could to somehow, someway make it seem okay.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 14 June 2018 10:19 (five years ago) link
Putin is the beneficiary of the summitYam 'got idea' to end exercises from Putin
^These don't seem to be nec identical.
I'm going to let you two New Cold warriors jerk off in peace now.
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 June 2018 11:17 (five years ago) link
Shouting “you want WWIII” over anyone who talks about the Russian govt in negative terms is in no way an embarrassing trope or bad for the discourse.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 14 June 2018 16:32 (five years ago) link
TFW you're slamming Rachel Maddow for conspiracy theories by linking to a guy who pushed Seth Rich, Syria false flag & Hillary health conspiracies (aka an actual conspiracy theorist) pic.twitter.com/kv2SUa8lQj— Centrism Fan Acct 🔹 (@Wilson__Valdez) June 15, 2018
And as has been repeatedly pointed out to Glenn (including in the replies to this very tweet) the segment's premise was based directly on this reporting from the rw WSJ, that said the very thing that he is calling an insane conspiracy. pic.twitter.com/MYKk6eKECw— Centrism Fan Acct 🔹 (@Wilson__Valdez) June 15, 2018
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 15 June 2018 17:38 (five years ago) link
Good god that dude has gone off the deep end.
― Frederik B, Friday, 15 June 2018 18:58 (five years ago) link
honestly what irks me most about GG is he's perfectly capable of a reasonable, well-balanced take or interview (what I saw of the Ocasio-Cortez interview was good, his recent Chapo appearance was pretty much completely unobjectionable AFAICT), but when he's wrong or misleading he invariably doubles down, deflects, or obfuscates instead of owning up to it (not a problem unique to him of course). This is a general problem with the pundit/journalist class - evolution is generally a liability
― Simon H., Friday, 15 June 2018 19:30 (five years ago) link
I for one am willing to admit I've mostly only noticed the OK takes cause I don't follow him on Twitter, meaning I only see the ones my followers have prescreened for approval
― Simon H., Friday, 15 June 2018 19:33 (five years ago) link
The thing that most irks me about that is Ocasio-Cortez and Chapo still dealing with him and pretending he is not an idiot who consistently goes on Fox News to attack the left.
― Frederik B, Friday, 15 June 2018 19:40 (five years ago) link
enh O-C needs all the media support she can get givent he short campaigning window (and won't get any attention from mainstream media ever) and Chapo has never really consistently vetted their guests beyond having a shared set of dunks on whatever libs or chuds they're talking about in a given week, which is fine since that's at least 85% of their whole thing
― Simon H., Friday, 15 June 2018 19:53 (five years ago) link
his clowndom on Hannity is unforgivable. love the implication that somehow your avg shitlib is somehow more dangerous/ more influential than Sean fucking Hannity.
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Friday, 15 June 2018 19:59 (five years ago) link
Chapo should vet their guests and why would O-C need media support from a Fox regular? Alarm bells should ring.
― Frederik B, Friday, 15 June 2018 20:05 (five years ago) link
yes why would somebody running for office want support from the media? i mean aside from trying to get voters ofc
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 15 June 2018 20:12 (five years ago) link
I would wager that for most people, GG/the Intercept doesn't have an immediate Fox connotation regardless of his appearances there, but even if he did, she's there to deliver a message, not boost his. xp
― Simon H., Friday, 15 June 2018 20:14 (five years ago) link
People who still believe in GG/intercept are idiots at this point, and it should be disturbing that a progressive candidate depends on that kind of idiots to get into power. What kind of message can she deliver? And you could use the same logic anywhere. Some idiot going on Breitbart, but to deliver a message, not boost them. Also, she rails against PACs and corporations because she (correctly) says they inevitably influences the politicians who depends on them, but on the other hand she joins hands with Fox contributors to get votes from idiots and think it doesn't matter?
― Frederik B, Friday, 15 June 2018 20:21 (five years ago) link
you're not a smart man
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 15 June 2018 20:26 (five years ago) link
I flagged your post because you used "idiot(s)" 4 times. Learn more words.
― President Keyes, Friday, 15 June 2018 20:27 (five years ago) link
If we lock this thread will it trap Fred B inside forever?
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 15 June 2018 21:15 (five years ago) link
does mordy still post ?
― flopson, Friday, 15 June 2018 22:32 (five years ago) link
Frederik is more dangerous than Hannity
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 16 June 2018 01:46 (five years ago) link
btw about 5000 Americans know what the intercept is, you brie-eating fucko
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 16 June 2018 01:50 (five years ago) link
The Simpsons are "Fox contributors" btw
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 16 June 2018 01:51 (five years ago) link