the day after the deadline: can the union survive brexit and other deep questions

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I see some of Yvette Cooper's tough on immi' posturing around the time of the leadership election takes a bit of a shine of her "hero" performance against Rudd yesterday.

calzino, Thursday, 26 April 2018 09:08 (six years ago) link

off

calzino, Thursday, 26 April 2018 09:08 (six years ago) link

before that even, back in 2012 she was showing she could match May for "toughness" on foreigns.

calzino, Thursday, 26 April 2018 09:11 (six years ago) link

I’m here to end the Yvette Cooper rehabilitation tour. There’s a reason I called her Poundland Theresa during the original leadership challenge. pic.twitter.com/OGO1De5GGO

— Congolesa “Fire @Jack” Rice (@judeinlondon2) April 26, 2018

calzino, Thursday, 26 April 2018 09:12 (six years ago) link

I just retweeted that. Suspect Cooper didn't even believe it the first time round and it was part of their facile and self-defeating triangulation policy, but she does tend to serve the prevailing winds as far as public anger goes. The idea that anyone in the Labour 2014 team saw this disaster coming is pretty spurious as well.

Matt DC, Thursday, 26 April 2018 09:14 (six years ago) link

really loving Congolesa's work lately

songs by bands by Sondheim (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 26 April 2018 09:15 (six years ago) link

I felt starstruck when I got a like from her the other week!

calzino, Thursday, 26 April 2018 09:34 (six years ago) link

If Rudd doesn't walk, the next scandal brewing up for her will be the Indefinite Detention one, although as has been mentioned - this one might not cause as much outrage with the good old G.B.P. as Windrush. But it really ought to.

calzino, Thursday, 26 April 2018 09:50 (six years ago) link

and don't forget she only had a majority of ~300 at the last GE so her political career looks fairly precarious rn

i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Thursday, 26 April 2018 09:56 (six years ago) link

in the long term i mean

i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Thursday, 26 April 2018 09:57 (six years ago) link

whoops

The ministry of housing is investigating allegations that a member of staff met men though a “sugar daddy” website and discussed her work with an undercover reporter.

According to the Daily Mirror the woman boasted of knowing “everything” about the housing minister, Dominic Raab, and that she knew his “every move”.

The employee met twice with an undercover journalist posing as a wealthy businessman, including at a five-star hotel less than a mile from the House of Commons.

At the end of each meeting she was paid £750, the paper said.

The ministry for housing, communities and local government launched the investigation amid concerns that the woman’s actions could pose a security risk.

There is no suggestion that Raab was aware of the woman’s actions, or use of the “sugar daddy” website.

Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 April 2018 09:59 (six years ago) link

This is pretty appalling from the Mirror, imo.

They're publicly shaming a woman, outing her as a sex worker, and inevitably getting her sacked - and the only thing she's supposedly done wrong professionally is gossip about her awful boss. There's no obvious security risk.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 26 April 2018 10:10 (six years ago) link

As if 95% of their work, and the work of all lobby journalists, isn't getting people to say indiscreet things they shouldn't.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 26 April 2018 10:11 (six years ago) link

if her boss was just some private-sector shithead i'd be inclined to agree, and i'm not usually inclined to support the work of the daily mirror, but surely there is a fairly obvious security risk from a minister's aide broadcasting their detailed knowledge of his movements to strangers who could easily use it as blackmail material

Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 April 2018 10:19 (six years ago) link

I dunno, if the choices are that on the one hand she actually provided some information and the Mirror have decided to play it down (just saying that she boasted of knowing stuff is not the same as saying what she knows), and on the other hand someone at the Mirror spotted an opportunity to expense getting his rocks off..

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 26 April 2018 10:24 (six years ago) link

I agree with SV’s general points about the shaming of the woman but cash getting someone physical access to a minister’s office is unquestionably a security risk.

gyac, Thursday, 26 April 2018 10:26 (six years ago) link

It doesn't seem like she shared anything about his movements. You could argue that she'd be open to blackmail, and could have her security clearance revoked on that basis, but the reason they've conducted the sting is clearly to get someone on tape talking about how much they hate him.

There's no suggestion that she gave anyone access to his office - just joked about how it would be fun.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 26 April 2018 10:27 (six years ago) link

it sort of reads like they were hoping to get some dirt on raab themselves, went undercover, but the best they could get was what he likes to eat for lunch at Pret, so they.... burned their source? weird

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 26 April 2018 10:41 (six years ago) link

not like a tabloid to play the sex scandal angle

songs by bands by Sondheim (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 26 April 2018 10:43 (six years ago) link

would be ironic if the housing minister's pa had to turn to sex work to pay her rent

i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Thursday, 26 April 2018 10:48 (six years ago) link

more ropey Rudd backtracking after saying deportation targets never existed yesterday.

“The immigration arm of the Home Office has been using local targets for internal performance management. These were not published targets against which performance was assessed, but if they are used inappropriately, then I am clear that this will have to change.”

calzino, Thursday, 26 April 2018 10:50 (six years ago) link

just resign already ffs, this is already embarrassing enough

Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 April 2018 10:53 (six years ago) link

she's the best they've got, that's a fun thought

songs by bands by Sondheim (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 26 April 2018 10:55 (six years ago) link

I can understand why she doesn’t want to resign when literally all of this is May’s fault.

I wonder if there is a deal to move her to a seat she can win in return for sticking around and taking the heat.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 26 April 2018 10:57 (six years ago) link

"Take care of a tree, and you will eat its fruit; look after your masterbe a willing and idiotic human shield, and you will be praisedget a safe seat."

calzino, Thursday, 26 April 2018 11:01 (six years ago) link

I can see them redrawing the constituency borders more so that Rudd has to defend merely a couple of hectares of Japanese knotweed.

nashwan, Thursday, 26 April 2018 11:04 (six years ago) link

and even then i dunno if she'd be able to rely on the vote of an immigrant plant

Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 April 2018 11:11 (six years ago) link

The local elections are next week, if story continues to run its probably more likely to happen after that?

gyac, Thursday, 26 April 2018 11:16 (six years ago) link

The government is a big machine.

There is no way that any one person could ever be aware of what every cog and widget is up to at any one point. It's not reasonable to expect them to know about absolutely everything.

Laura Kuenssberg on the case

the vomming of the snark (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 26 April 2018 11:20 (six years ago) link

always good for journalists to act as apologists for government fuckups ime

Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 April 2018 11:22 (six years ago) link

That's a shocking statement. They're accountable - it's a basic principle of Parliament.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 26 April 2018 11:30 (six years ago) link

she goes on to hum and haw a bit but that's the opening statement of intent

the vomming of the snark (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 26 April 2018 11:32 (six years ago) link

jamie grierson nails it in the guardian:

“I didn’t hear that testimony, I’m not sure what shape that might be in,” Rudd said in reference to the existence of targets.

Here’s what shape it might have been in. There are three layers of state-enforced or enforceable departures: deportations, administrative removals and voluntary departures. ...

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 26 April 2018 11:32 (six years ago) link

would be ironic if the housing minister's pa had to turn to sex work to pay her rent

LOL read this as the housing minister's father.

Kanye O'er Frae France? (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 April 2018 11:32 (six years ago) link

like even if rudd wasn't aware of what was going on in the department she's supposed to be leading, wtf was stopping her from finding out in the time since this story broke? she's now apologised four times and each apology is the result of her being - at best- totally fucking incompetent

Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 April 2018 11:38 (six years ago) link

are ugandan asians the next cohort to become visible in this shitshow ?

||||||||, Thursday, 26 April 2018 11:40 (six years ago) link

There were Kenyan Asians before them too.

Kanye O'er Frae France? (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 April 2018 11:46 (six years ago) link

I've worked with a lot of Asian people who were born and brought up in Kenya or Tanzania.

Kanye O'er Frae France? (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 April 2018 11:48 (six years ago) link

Ugandan Asians had their own process after the 1971 cut-off for others so i wouldn't expect it to be an issue.

Pre-1971 immigrants went from a situation of not needing documents to needing them - sometimes finding out decades later that they didn't have them or couldn't apply easily. Pretty much anyone who immigrated legally after 1971 will have had to have been issued with indefinite leave to remain or citizenship docs.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 26 April 2018 12:02 (six years ago) link

are ugandan asians the next cohort to become visible in this shitshow ?

elderly children of Jewish refugees? I imagine Labour party workers desperately trying to find some.

mahb, Thursday, 26 April 2018 13:09 (six years ago) link

ba-dum-tshh

calzino, Thursday, 26 April 2018 13:45 (six years ago) link

https://www.buzzfeed.com/emilyashton/amber-rudd-just-suggested-britain-might-not-leave-the-eu

Rudd's having quite a day here.

Matt DC, Thursday, 26 April 2018 14:55 (six years ago) link

starting to look like suicide by journo at this point

the vomming of the snark (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 26 April 2018 14:56 (six years ago) link

like May, Rudd seems to be a completely useless politician, but with a compensating vermin-like resilience. I suppose that is what you would need to survive a marriage to A A Gill.

calzino, Thursday, 26 April 2018 16:50 (six years ago) link

you wot? <checks wikipedia> lmao, every day a school day huh

Google lobster hierarchies (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 26 April 2018 16:55 (six years ago) link

I can remember his fantastic S Times humbleboasting in his column, where he is smugly reflecting on what it is like to be an ugly old man with a young model g/f, who he abandoned Rudd for.

calzino, Thursday, 26 April 2018 16:58 (six years ago) link

the 90's eh?

calzino, Thursday, 26 April 2018 17:04 (six years ago) link

all my memories of the '90s involve someone wearing cork-wedge shoes

plax (ico), Thursday, 26 April 2018 17:08 (six years ago) link

it's funny how you can forget important or even exciting memories of your life, but recall all sorts of pointless minutiae with absolute precision!

calzino, Thursday, 26 April 2018 17:26 (six years ago) link

Amber Rudd also has a Four Weddings and a Funeral credit for something like ‘aristo wrangler’.

suzy, Thursday, 26 April 2018 17:28 (six years ago) link


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